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Virginia Deer Hound Training Season
01-12-2010, 10:55 PM
#1
Spike
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Virginia Deer Hound Training Season
In the state of Va running fox with dogs 24/7 365 has been legal for probably over 50 years now and just recently a bear hound training season was passed We are long overdue for a deer hound training season my proposal would go like this: A Deer Hound Training season would run from the conclusion of the general firearms season until April 1st of each year. It would be legal to train hounds 24 hours a day, 7 days per week during this time. The training season would be closed from April 1st until Aug 15th. The training season would start again on Aug 15 and run until two weeks before archery season. This season would not interfere with the birthing and maturing of fawns and also would not interfere with Archery or muzzleloader seasons. If you would like to sign a petition for this check out my site.
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01-13-2010, 03:41 AM
#2
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Posts: 466
Here we go again. The chasers want more. Now they want to legally upset the deer right before bow season. Taking all the studies aside who here feels that it takes more than 2 weeks for the deer to calm down after being chased? And for what? They've been doing fine for many years without a, uhum, "legal" training season. What real need is it for a training season? So they can hear hounds? Go run in the pens if you want to hear hounds.
But I'll be willing for a compromise. Get rid of RTR, dogs on prohibited lands and set a min acreage, a licensing and penalty system similar to what GA. and some other states have. Then you can train all you want - on your own lands.
But I'll be willing for a compromise. Get rid of RTR, dogs on prohibited lands and set a min acreage, a licensing and penalty system similar to what GA. and some other states have. Then you can train all you want - on your own lands.
Last edited by Bigg~BirddVA; 01-13-2010 at 03:59 AM.
01-13-2010, 06:57 AM
#3
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
Yep, a deer getting jumped by a dog automatically has a nervous breakdown and will be impossible to kill two weeks later. That's why the deer harvest rates are just soooooo low in all the states where all sorts of doghunting seasons either directly precede deer season or coincide with it. The lack of logic and common sense never ends....
01-13-2010, 07:44 AM
#5
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Posts: 466
Yep, a deer getting jumped by a dog automatically has a nervous breakdown and will be impossible to kill two weeks later. That's why the deer harvest rates are just soooooo low in all the states where all sorts of doghunting seasons either directly precede deer season or coincide with it. The lack of logic and common sense never ends....
01-13-2010, 09:14 AM
#6
Fork Horn
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Virginia Beach, Va
Posts: 317
Wow... this will just about eliminates the need to actually spend time in the woods and scout the property before bow/muzzleloader season. I might as well just put my climber in the church parking lot or just pick a spot... any spot. Also.... so much for the spring turkey season as well, the birds will just be roosting "all day long" with the dogs in the woods 24/7.
I propose Sunday hunting be allowed for all huntable game species and dogs only be allowed to run on Tuesdays & Wednesdays.
I propose Sunday hunting be allowed for all huntable game species and dogs only be allowed to run on Tuesdays & Wednesdays.
01-13-2010, 03:20 PM
#7
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Fauquier Co. VA
Posts: 231
Here's some info from the MS DNR on running Deer hounds out of season.
http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/articles.aspx?article=44
"Give 'Em a Break
In a research study conducted at Mississippi State University, Jake Bowman (1996) found that captive fawns on good nutrition could survive and grow normally if they became orphaned after they reached 60 days of age. This is partly due to the fact that fawns do not become functional ruminants until they are roughly 2 months of age. In other words, they are dependent upon their mother=s milk until this time. Depending on what part of the state you are in, the peak of the rut can occur from early December to late January. With an average gestation period of about 200 days, the majority of the fawns are born from July to September. In South Mississippi, the peak of the rut typically occurs the last of January. Research in this part of the state has shown that only 18% of the fawns have reached 60 days of age by October 1st. From the samples taken, 100% of the fawns reached 60 days of age by November 19. Because of the possibility of orphaning fawns less than 60 days of age, the MDWFP adopted regulations restricting antlerless harvest until the Saturday closest to November 1st.
Another activity which could potentially have a negative impact on the local deer herd is Atuning up@ dogs prior to deer season. Dog owners often get their dogs in shape by running deer before the opening of season. Although there is merit in this strategy, another recommendation would be to conduct this activity within the confines of a fox or coyote pen. Does can easily lose their fawn(s) if they are stressed excessively in the latter stages of pregnancy. Various observations have indicated that these does have been caught and killed outright, drowned while crossing rivers, or aborted their fetuses while being pursued by dogs. Also, all new-born fawns are vulnerable to a host of predators, including hunting dogs. Although fawns are born relatively scent free, this protective measure of nature only lasts for a short period of time.
The MDWFP has supported and continues to support the ethical use of dogs as a legitimate and traditional method of hunting white-tailed deer within the state. Ethical use means the harvesting of deer within the rules and regulations established by the MDWFP. Ethical use also entails that hunters using dogs hunt responsibly, have adequate acreage on which to run, control their dogs so no property damage occurs and do not infringe upon the rights of landowners and the general public. Is it ethical to tune dogs prior to hunting season? I guess that would depend on your own perspective. One thing is for certain, the key to any successful deer management program is recruiting fawns into the local population for future harvest. Fawns already face a multitude of adversities that threatens their survival; so why not give em a break? "
http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/articles.aspx?article=44
"Give 'Em a Break
In a research study conducted at Mississippi State University, Jake Bowman (1996) found that captive fawns on good nutrition could survive and grow normally if they became orphaned after they reached 60 days of age. This is partly due to the fact that fawns do not become functional ruminants until they are roughly 2 months of age. In other words, they are dependent upon their mother=s milk until this time. Depending on what part of the state you are in, the peak of the rut can occur from early December to late January. With an average gestation period of about 200 days, the majority of the fawns are born from July to September. In South Mississippi, the peak of the rut typically occurs the last of January. Research in this part of the state has shown that only 18% of the fawns have reached 60 days of age by October 1st. From the samples taken, 100% of the fawns reached 60 days of age by November 19. Because of the possibility of orphaning fawns less than 60 days of age, the MDWFP adopted regulations restricting antlerless harvest until the Saturday closest to November 1st.
Another activity which could potentially have a negative impact on the local deer herd is Atuning up@ dogs prior to deer season. Dog owners often get their dogs in shape by running deer before the opening of season. Although there is merit in this strategy, another recommendation would be to conduct this activity within the confines of a fox or coyote pen. Does can easily lose their fawn(s) if they are stressed excessively in the latter stages of pregnancy. Various observations have indicated that these does have been caught and killed outright, drowned while crossing rivers, or aborted their fetuses while being pursued by dogs. Also, all new-born fawns are vulnerable to a host of predators, including hunting dogs. Although fawns are born relatively scent free, this protective measure of nature only lasts for a short period of time.
The MDWFP has supported and continues to support the ethical use of dogs as a legitimate and traditional method of hunting white-tailed deer within the state. Ethical use means the harvesting of deer within the rules and regulations established by the MDWFP. Ethical use also entails that hunters using dogs hunt responsibly, have adequate acreage on which to run, control their dogs so no property damage occurs and do not infringe upon the rights of landowners and the general public. Is it ethical to tune dogs prior to hunting season? I guess that would depend on your own perspective. One thing is for certain, the key to any successful deer management program is recruiting fawns into the local population for future harvest. Fawns already face a multitude of adversities that threatens their survival; so why not give em a break? "
01-14-2010, 08:57 PM
#9
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12
Here we go again. The chasers want more. Now they want to legally upset the deer right before bow season. Taking all the studies aside who here feels that it takes more than 2 weeks for the deer to calm down after being chased? And for what? They've been doing fine for many years without a, uhum, "legal" training season. What real need is it for a training season? So they can hear hounds? Go run in the pens if you want to hear hounds.
But I'll be willing for a compromise. Get rid of RTR, dogs on prohibited lands and set a min acreage, a licensing and penalty system similar to what GA. and some other states have. Then you can train all you want - on your own lands.
But I'll be willing for a compromise. Get rid of RTR, dogs on prohibited lands and set a min acreage, a licensing and penalty system similar to what GA. and some other states have. Then you can train all you want - on your own lands.
01-14-2010, 09:04 PM
#10
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12
I'm not stopping you or anyone from having sunday hunting I'd like to have sundays during archery and muzzle loader seasons but, you guys can have the rest of the sundays I'll be at home resting my legs from chasing after those dogs got to keep them where they belong