Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Look at the words and phrases I highlighted below.......

Nichols' call for Sunday bow hunting defeated
By LILLIAN KAFKA [email protected]Friday, January 25, 2008
RICHMOND -- A House of Delegates subcommittee killed a Prince William County delegate's attempt to allow bow hunting on Sundays after hearing protests from farm and agricultural lobbyists.

"The reasons for [opposition] begin with faith, and they expand to those people such as horse riders who enjoy the woods on Sundays," said Wilmer Stoneman III, a lobbyist for the Farm Bureau of Virginia. Del. Paul F. Nichols, D-Occoquan, called the Sunday prohibition of hunting on private property "outdated." He said he proposed the idea at the request of bow hunters who work Monday through Saturday. His bill, HB 1456, would have allowed bow hunting on Sundays on private property for only two years.(Yes the bill said PRIVATE PROPERTY, so how are people in danger of being hit by an arrow?) Before he heard the request, the delegate from suburban Washington, D.C., said he didn't even know Virginia prohibited hunting on Sundays.


"We've had this ongoing discussion about hunting on Sundays," said R. Lee Ware, R-Powhatan, chairman of the subcommittee. He joked and asked Nichols, "Boy, why'd you bring this bill to this committee?"( I can hear the Duke's Of Hazard song in the background), Katie Kyger Frazier, lobbyist for the Virginia Agribusiness Council, said the only day during hunting season that horse riders can ride in the woods without fear of coming into crossfire is Sundays.(ITS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY MORONS!)


PATHETIC but I will write Delegate Nichols and tell him thank you for his attempt to change the law.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Go figure...

I'm beginning to believe that the only way we Virginians are going to be able to hunt on Sunday is to not hunt at all. Meaning, hunters statewide not purchasing licenses or permits, not purchasing new gear (guns, bows, 4 wheelers, etc) and not buying any item or service that has to do with hunting. I wish there was a way to come up with a figure that we put in the economy every year. I bet there would be a major trickle down effect too, such as, the government bailing out businesses who failed from it. Which would be funded by everyones tax dollar, even that horse rider trespassing on someones private land on Sunday. Insurance companies would be dealing with damage from the deer population doubling in one year. Shelters will be begging the government for more money to feed the hungry since no venison would be donated. VaGIF would not be able to fund their budget. The list would go on and one.

Yeah, I know, alittle far fetched, but it WOULD work!

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

UFunny2,

I think you're right.... I'm so disgusted andjust so, totally, outraged right now. I mightskip out next season in protest. I can easily buy a nonresident license and go hunting in Ohio (where there's big bucks and Sunday hunting).

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Wow I really thought we had a chance.
I guess the horseback riders really only come out on sundays, because I have never seen any while hunting on our PRIVATE property....

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Joey--I have NEVER seen horseback riders or joggers while hunting private or public land during hunting season and I have been hunting in Virginia for 15 years. Where have we gone as a society? I mean really it is laughable.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Seems like we need more people there fighting for us. I just don't see why the VAC is so against hunting on sunday.
The whole horseback riding/jogger thing is just an excuse.
Looks like we got a long way to go before we can hunt on sundays.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

We definitely need to get organized to get the ban lifted. [/align]

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

the same people who got this stopped are the ones pushing virginia to stop the dog hunting ,they have enough money behind them to get both stopped...... and just may.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

The VHDA was aligned with the groups that are against SH, I think a lot of hunters will remember that when they need help on issues involving hunting with hounds.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Just shows the VHDA is for the continued use and abuse of hunting as they see fit. If they don't care about dogs on your private land they're not going to care about your hunt on sunday either. They're also against the proposed law for increased penalties for tresspass with a weapon while looking for dogs. They don't want a fix to the dog issues, and they don't want you to have a chance to hunt either.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Your statement is inncorrect

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If you think his statement is wrong, prove it.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

I hunt several horse farms and have never heard any mention problems with hunting season, most riders are oblivious to it. I do know some who go toPhelps WMA to ride and have seen a few riders while grouse hunting in Rapidan WMA. I know what hunters pay to use the Nat. Forest, State Forestand WMAs. What about joggers and folk who ride horses there?

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We haven't aligned ourself with no one. There was other organizations there to talk outagianst sunday hunting, but the biggest is the legislators who voted agianst it, all but one or two I believe. So your saying since we was in the same room and talking about the same subject we aligned ourselves with them. No that is inncorrect. HSUS is enemy number one to all hunting. As far as the dog retrieval bill, we would have supported it if it included stricter penalities for all trespassers and didn't single out just the hunting dog community. And no were not in favor of illegal hunting or trespassing. If you see either being committed call and report it.

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Is there any group that will fight the Virginia dog hunting alliance? It is obvious this is a very arrogant, one-sided group, interested in their views only. Is there aorganized group to create Sunday Hunting? If not let's start one!!! I'm tired of the dog hunters wanting their way, or no way. I say let's boycott hunting licenses or some other form of hitting the VDGIFpockets. Who's interested in fighting these idiots? I will.

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Name calling isn't a first step in working togeather. I suggest you act a little more mature.

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Hokie--I agree. While I do not like to hunt with dogs, I have no problem with others doing so on their own land. We need to STICK TOGETHER or risk being a lost brotherhood of hunters in the future.

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I agree with that and I don't think it's good idea to tiehunting with hounds to the SH issue, but that's what VHDA has done.

It will cost them support in the future.

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i cant believe the horse people play such a huge part in the govt. christ,,,ya cant evenshoot fox in fauquier co. what funding do these horse people create???? i must not see the big picture

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Rem,

The horse people have major, major, major, $$$$$$$$. Their word is the gospel according to politicians. Next are the deer dog runners and VHDA, VDHA, etc... who are a "good ol' boy club" and have serious connections in high places. We Sunday hunting advocates don't have that kind of power, and we lose everytime. [&o]

Me personally? I'm quitting this coming season. Well, you know what I mean... I am NOT buying a license and going to sit out next season in protest.

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Well I'm not quitting. I'll take what I can get and I'll probably use Sunday to move my TRAPS and such.

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Well you can start by contacting the below list of agencies and companies and inform them that you will no longer support them with your money. If they maintain the support of no hunting on Sundays.[:'(]

Virginia Agribusiness Council

DIRECTORS
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EverettB. Birdsong, Birdsong Peanuts, Suffolk, Virginia[/align][*]
Alvin W. Blaha, Laurel Farm, Inc., Petersburg, Virginia[/align][*]
Allen Bowers, Woodstock, Virginia FFA President, ex officio[/align][*]Bette B. Brand, Farm Credit of the Virginias & Virginia Horse Council, Roanoke, Virginia[*]Dr. Daniel E. Brann, Brann Farms, Christiansburg,Virginia[*]
Louis L. Brooking, Jr., Brookmeade Sod Farm, Inc., Doswell, Virginia[*]
James W. Burns, Philip Morris, USA, Richmond, Virginia[/align][*]
Thomas H. Byerly, Farm Credit of the Virginias & Triple T Farm, Staunton, Virginia[/align][*]
David M. Chilton, Universal Leaf Tobacco Company, Richmond, Virginia[/align][*]
John F. Davis, Camden Farm, Port Royal, Virginia[/align][*]Ann Hutchinson Duff, Smurfit-Stone Container Corporation, West Point, Virginia[*]
Dick Fisher, Virginia Turfgrass Council, Powhatan[/align][*]
Dale A. Gardner, VirginiaState Dairymen's Association, Harrisonburg, Virginia[/align][*]
Lynn P. Gayle, Taylor & Fulton, Mappsville, Virginia[/align][*]William H. Hayter, First Bank & Trust Company, Abingdon, Virginia[*]
Ann L. Heidig, Lake Anna Winery, Spotsylvania, Virginia[/align][*]
Eric Holter, Culpeper Farmers Cooperative, Culpeper[/align][*]
Donald H. Horsley, Land of Promise Farms, Virginia Beach, Virginia[/align][*]
Kent E. Hudson, Windy Hill Farm, Buffalo Junction, Virginia[/align][*]
Karen Kelly, Shipp & Wilson, Inc., Mechanicsville, Virginia[/align][*]
Ollie W. Kitchen, Jr., MeadWestvaco Corporation, Covington, Virginia[/align][*]
John Leber, Cavalier International, Inc., Ashland, Virginia[/align][*]
David A. Leonard,Leonard Land & Livestock, Ltd., Lebanon, Virginia[/align][*]
Neal H. Martin, Brickland Hatchery, Midwest Farms, LLC, Blackstone,Virginia[/align][*]
David R. Medley, Bank of America, Richmond, Virginia[/align][*]
Sonny Meyerhoeffer, Double M Farms, Mt. Crawford, Virginia[/align][*]
Brian Mosier, Mecklenburg Electric Cooperative, Chase City, Virginia[/align][*]
Douglas R. Phillips, Phillips & Turman Tree Farms, Indian Valley, Virginia[/align][*]
Claiborne B. Roberts, Colonial Farm Credit, Mechanicsville, Virginia[/align][*]

Stan Rogers, Southern States Cooperative, Richmond, Virginia[/align][/align][*]
C. M. Saunders, III, Saunders Farms, Midlothian, Virginia[/align][*]
Daniel Shreckhise, Shreckhise Nurseries, Grottoes, Virginia[/align][*]
Linda V. Smith, Old Dominion Grain Corporation, Division of Mennel Milling, West Point, Virginia[/align][*]
O. Bryan Taliaferro, Jr., Montague Farms, Inc.,Center Cross, Virginia[/align][/ul]

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Thank god, Bud Light isnot on the list!

RE: Virginia affirms Sunday bowhunt ban
 

Dude!?

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Look at where all those companies are located...central to southern virginia. All we want up here in Northern Virginia is to be able to hunt on Sundays. They can stay in the dark ages.

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Gee I think I know their agenda. They are aligned with Falwell's Moral Majority.

This is off their website.



The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance has adopted a position opposing hunting on Sunday Hunting for many reasons. It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our
membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper.

1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is
reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. "Remember the Sabbath day
by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.1 We also recognize that
the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

2. We believe that all can use a day of rest. It is a time to recover and reflect.
You may look for lost dogs or game animals, declared by the law to be
hunting, but the retrieval of lost sheep is consistent with the gospel. We
believe that the hunted also benefit from the day of rest.

3. We believe landowners want a day to rest. To enjoy the quiet of their
property, absent their guests of the rest of the week, no matter how welcome
they may be at other times. Sunday is a day of reflection.

4. We believe that even the most supportive families would benefit from this
positive statement of family values.

5. Other outdoor users appreciate a day to themselves. Without this day, they
may turn against the selfish hunters who demand hunting on Sunday and place
all hunting at risk. Remember all hunting is not done on large private tracts.

6. Virginia has the most generous limits on deer kill of any state in the nation.
No hunter, no matter how they plead otherwise, is so deprived as not to be
able to find an opportunity to hunt during the long seasons. We acknowledge
that some of our number have a limited number of vacation days, but believe
that resulting public opinion would inescapably be negative, and give antihunters
a big hammer to bludgeon us with.

7. Modern wildlife management bases its hunting seasons on range carrying
capacities, species reproductive rates and mortality rates. One significant
factor in determining any hunting season is the number of animals harvested
by hunters. The number of animals harvested by hunters is determined by
man-days a field times the success rate. Most studies have shown that
typically 40% of total man-hours of hunting occur on Saturday. The addition
of Sunday would be certain to require the eventual adjustment of the seasons
for most if not all species that are hunted. This would result in the eventual
shortening of the hunting season.

The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance acknowledges that hunters are coming to Virginia
from other areas having Sunday hunting. Many areas allow other practices that have also
long been against the law in Virginia such as hunting over bait and hunting big game
animals in small enclosures. We see no reason to support hunting on Sunday in the
Commonwealth of Virginia at this time.
1 http://70030.netministry.com/apps/ar...&columnid=3803[/align]

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You are mistaken, I was at the vote. A member of the VDGIF board (not offical capacity) was there to speak in favor of Sunday Hunting. VHDA sided with HSUS to oppose Sunday hunting. This from a group that touts being for HUNTERS rights. Apparently they are only for hunters who share their practices'. I think every hunter out there should be contacting their rep's and telling them that they are expected to vote yes next time this issue comes before them. Hokie has stated that the only group that should be blamed is the delegates who voted against it, but what he is not telling you is that the ones who voted against it are the ones listed on their website as recieving campaign contributions from VHDA. Kind of makes a person wonder