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I been reading about what is ethical weapon to use on prey..Well a bad
placed shot and the animal will run off. My bone I have is, what is the difference between a ground hog running into it's borrow and dieing from a yote running off and dieing from to small calibers? What is the difference from clubbing a rat and clubbing a baby seal? The seal is cuter than the rat? They are all animals in general.. Should one be treated with more respect in the way it dies than another species because the way it looks?I don't think so. An animal is an animal..People been brain washed by tv on what is good and what is bad.. They show this cute little seal who did nothing with their soft music playing in the back ground.. Then you got this ugly rat who just runs around and eats everything it sees and is a disease carrier..Why should there be a more ethical way of killing an animal because of the way it looks?? I could never figure this one out...It's all right to poison a rat but unethical to poison wolves and yotes to the same people?? To me, an animal is an animal unless it lived with you.. This should be a good discussion.

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I guess it depends on the circumstances. If you are a farmer with a groundhog or coyote problem then you aren't gonna lose sleep over gut shooting one and having it get away. But, if it is an animal that you want for its meat and/or fur then you have a different perspective.

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Very true.. I don't see why people call others poor sportsmen or unethical hunters or slander them on their type of weapon they used if it didn't die on the spot..I don't know why people get upset for those who try head shots that are less than perfect with shot placement. I do my best for one shot one kill.. But I am not going to bash or slander someone because they tried a head shot or attempted to kill an animal at 150+yrds with a 22 or 17hmr.On predators I think it is challengeing to do so though..If youwasn't going to eat it or save it's hide what is the big deal about it if it runs off and dies?? Same with crows,To most they are just target practice..No use in them...If you wound a crow,No big deal...

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I was raised by wonder woman and fatherless. And superman has no chance in he!! against wonder womans SOB son.. ;)

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I am not mother nature! She can make animals suffer if she so chooses. I am better than that!

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You hit a squirrel or fox or coonor skunk or possum,porcipine with your car, you see it flopping around in your rear view mirror, Are you going to stop and finish it off or just keep on trucking? Me I am trucking along.. Now how many of these people who hitone of these animalswould do the same as if it was a deer? They are both animals.Why does one deserve not to suffer and another one does to these people???If adeer jumped out in front of my car and I hit it, Damn right it can suffer back there. Look at the damage it did to my truck or car. The SOB can stay there for all I care. Now how many animals have you made suffer that wasn't worth the time to stop and finish it off or even look for it for that matter?

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While hunting, I choose a weapon that I KNOW is capable of quick clean kills, as long as I do my part. Hunting has been around long enough to show in history that certain weapon/ammo. combos are very good while others lack in ability to make quick kills consistantly. Of course, there are an unlimited amount of hunting situations, so I have to choose the weapon for the situation that I most likely will find myself in while hunting any certain species, and then do my part in making a quick clean kill. It don't always happen, BUT I know I can't blame the weapon/bullet choice.
As far as hitting animals with a vehicle, that is often out of a persons control and I personnally don't always have a gun with me, BUT seldom does a 2# critter get run over by a 7000# vehicle and have any life left in it. I have hit two deer over the years, and one of them ended up in the freezer because he didn't take a direct hit and had to be shot to be finished, and the other was a doe and she went completely under the vehicle and was hamburger at the sight, stopped and drug her off the road so she wouldn't wreck someone elses vehicle. Althought that's all beside the point, because trying to compare how we as hunters treat animals while hunting to aniamls that are hit by vehicles is quite a stretch and not really comparable because in one situation we have control on how, when, why, where an animal dies, and with a vehicle we don't!
I've often questioned why is it wrong to shoot a pheasant, dove, or the likes while not in flight, yet it's fine to shoot a rabbit while sitting, a turkey while standing, etc.?

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I've never turkey hunted, but was always taught that all of the other mentioned animals should be shot while flying, or in the case of rabbits, running. I was always told that a sitting rabbit shouldn't be shot, not just because some wouldn't consider it to be sporting, but also because if it can't run, it might have tularemia or one of the other diseases that they sometimes carry.

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Actually, just the other day I stopped and went back to kill a rabbit that was hurt. It had been hit and it's back legs were useless and it was pulling it self by its front legs. I didn't have a weapon, so I just stepped on its head. If I can go back and finish it, I will, just sometimes it's not safe to do so, like on an interstate or whatever.

To let a deer or anything else suffer just because it hurt your car, thats down right cruelty. It wasn't it's fault it was trying to cross the road to get something to eat. What if I accidentally hit you with my car and your legs and arms are broke, and you can't move. Can I just leave you there to die? Even though it may take a few days all the while your in excruciating pain?

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i might stop just to get out and kick it a couple of times

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You sound like a spokes person for peta... Most likely you would be in jail and never be able to drive again. We can only hope that you never do that to a person...I can't even believe someone would say something like that on a hunting site. Compare a human to an animal. Where are your priorities at? Humans and animals are different. Look it up. Unreal man..You shouldn't even be hunting with comment like that.

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LMAO.. Dairy King might do that to someone also if he hits them???

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You guys are being turds twards the dairy king. Having a heart is human nature. And yea, I kill alot of animals.Most of the time I dont feel bad,or I wouldnt have killed it.But an accident is a differant story.Now I know most everyone is close to there dogs,and feel pretty darn bad when it comes time to put em down. But you do it because its ending the suffering, and the right thing to do. Its still an animal. So lay off the guy,heck, I drag dead animals off the road just cause they look messy and why should anyone have to look at it.That doesnt make me a card carrying PETA member does it?

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Let's get something straight here.Noone started on dairy king.. I am the only one who said something about his comment..You believe his post is ok and it should of just been let alone without an attack??Again, a family pet is different than a wild animal. Look it up.. A pet is not a wild animal..

So a bad shot from a gun that someone else thinks is under caliber, and the animal runs off and dies,, and people criticises others about it.. Again,no different than hitting an animal with a car and letting it suffer by these same people who criticizes others...I advise these people who drives thesesmall vehicles to get something bigger, that way when they do hit an animal, it will kill it on the spot with a higher %..

Again, Why do some animals deserve to die more humane than others?? What's the difference between whacking a duck with a ballbat and a rat?? People will cuss and throw a fit over that duck and not that rat.. Why is that??
One swing each and they both are going to die instant..

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I still say your anology between hunting situations and vehicle situations is flawed. One is an accident, and one has, or should have, a conscious decesion being made! One situation you have, or should have, control over the out come, and the other, you usaually don't have control on the outcome.
As far as the difference between a rat and a duck, one has the "pest/varmint/disease carrying" label and the other doesn't! An animal that does damage, is known to carry disease, and is labeled varmint/pest isn't in the same catagory as other aniamls!

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Decision being made. Ok, you have the decision to go back and make sure that animal is dead after you hit it. No matter what that animal is or how you wounded it.. If it was an accident that makes it allright for one kind of animal to suffer and another not??

So it is allright to kill a Rat that carries diseases with a bat and not the duck just because of that?? Ok,The duck has H5N1.. Is it acceptable to use the bat on the duck now??

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Dead is dead, use the bat.

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Let's stick with your first topic which is all about hunters and what they choose to use as weapons. Hitting animals with vehicles does not fall in the same catagory. An accident is an accident, unlike mother nature, a human was involved yes, BUT the human usually has no control on the outcome.
If the bat gets the job done quickly and effectively, then it sure seems ethical to me. I guess you must be able to fly to get that close to a duck with a bat:D

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Mabe its a realy BIG bat!

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Ducklings...;)

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You got it.

An eagle is a sparrow, a field mouse is a mink, ayearling whitetail doeis a 7X7 bull elk.

Anyone elevatingthe value of life for some critters over othersis delusional. They all deserve the same amount of respect by those who wish to kill them. A lot of folks seem to hate coyotes- but they're just doing what they've always done. We (as hunters) are the ones that change our minds every few generations... coyotes ALWAYS just want to survive. Can't blame them for that- but we can enjoy harvesting them ethically.

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Hey Connor, where can we "look it up"?

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I personally do hate coyotes. I will hunt and trap them to hell and back. But even though I do hate them I put them down the way I should. With no undue stress or pain.

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Ill 2nd that. But just because I dont like one animal doesnt mean Im gonna go out and intentionally make it suffer or torture it. Anyone who does this belongs in a institute. I dont like to see anything suffer period. Oh and yes I will stop for something run over if its still alive to finish it off or call someone who legally can no matter what it is.