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I NEED MY BRETHREN'S HELP!!!
I'm a mountain boy from N. Idaho. I have hunted big game my whole life, and I have had limited access to prairie puppy's in the past.
I havebeen shooting my entire life and I now want a new challenge! I want to get a long range rifle that I can really reach out and touch something. I want to practice so I can maybe reach out4 or 500 meters effectively, and maybe farther if I can ever get good enough! I know these questions have been answered in these forums, but it's hard to form a lot of the answers around my specific tastes and needs.So please offer me the wisdom you all have from experience!. I am going to start travelling into Montana and am looking at a Savage .223 heavy barrel to sit next to me on the drive over. I can't spend more than 6 or 700 on the rifle unless you all want a newlysingle woman with half of Cameron's(me) stuff back on the "meat"market. I have also looked at the Howa with the laminate stock with the thumbhole. I like the .223 because it is inexpensive to buy ammunition for. What are my best options for the prairie puppies and also for yotel dogs in Idaho at closer ranges? What are the best inexpensive rifles that I can look for? I have a savage .17 hmr heavy barrel...I love it and am more than willing to share pics of my setup for anyone. Is the .223 in this brand going to make me happy??? Thanks! Cameron P.S. As I know as much as anyone....a good rifle is a fair, if not, a great trade off for a wife...or a lack there of a wife. However, my current "boss" is a little to hot and dipped way below her standards to marry me....so I think I need to milk this marriage as long as possible while I'm still able to wake up next to something super pretty. Otherwise this future rifle will cost me a loss of a wife and a lifetime of fugly, albeit, chubby womenly friends.....SO, I hope you all understand and forgive me for not giving up my wife for a sweeeeeeet varmint set-up!!!! |
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For long ranges like your talking i would say a .22-250 or .223 but the .223 is pushing it at that range. My .223 can hit something out that far with the right conditions but a .22-250 would be good all around for long range.
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ORIGINAL: jake smith09 For long ranges like your talking i would say a .22-250 or .223 but the .223 is pushing it at that range. My .223 can hit something out that far with the right conditions but a .22-250 would be good all around for long range. What's the cost of ammunition on this? I know my 17 HMR, for the size of the ammo, is pretty costly which causes me not to shoot it as much as I want. Is the .22-250 going to be expensive and hard to find? What about a .243 or a 220 swift?  |
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If I was in your shoes I would get a savage in .223 with a 1 in 9 twist. Just for the fact that it would work. Savage is a great for the money, and availablity of ammo would be a plus and barrel life would be good. 220 swift, .22-250, .243, 243 wssm, 25 wssm would all work but the .223 would probably "do" what you need. The other calibers shoot flatter and have more energy but may cost more money and mayhave shorter barrel life. If you get a fast twist rate then you can shoot heavier bullets that will have better performance at extended ranges. Personally I shoot a .22-250 (savage) and a .223 (AR) with a 1 in 8 but will probably go with a .243 or something for my next rifle. here is a little info on rate of twist somewhere. Good luck
[ul][*]1x7 Technically too tight of a twist for any .224 bullet widely available, including the 80 grain. Manufactured originally to stabilize SS109 and/or tracer ammo, but further military testing has shown other twists to be superior. Some of the very heavy custom stuff (87 grain?) may work well, but why?[*]1x8 Great twist for 69-80 grain bullets. Sierra once informed me that the perfect twist for their 80gr was 1x8.2xxxxx (blah blah blah big long engineers explanation followed).[*]1x9 Good all around twist ratio. Best suited for 52-69 grain, but either end of the envelope will be questionable.[*]1x10 Practically the same as 1x9, but favors the lighter side a little more.[*]1x12 Great for the 40-52 grain bullets. Most often found on bolt action rifles as their primary use is varminting. All right for the 55 grain, but not the best.[*]1x14 If you want to under stabilize the .224 bullet, use this twist. Useless except for tumbling effect it causes upon bullet impact. IMHO, better to shoot straight with a good HP bullet as your chances to hit are better and damage will most likely be greater also. [/ul] |
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ORIGINAL: RJH If I was in your shoes I would get a savage in .223 with a 1 in 9 twist. Just for the fact that it would work. Savage is a great for the money, and availablity of ammo would be a plus and barrel life would be good. 220 swift, .22-250, .243, 243 wssm, 25 wssm would all work but the .223 would probably "do" what you need. The other calibers shoot flatter and have more energy but may cost more money and mayhave shorter barrel life. If you get a fast twist rate then you can shoot heavier bullets that will have better performance at extended ranges. Personally I shoot a .22-250 (savage) and a .223 (AR) with a 1 in 8 but will probably go with a .243 or something for my next rifle. here is a little info on rate of twist somewhere. Good luck [ul][*][/size]1x7 [/size]Technically too tight of a twist for any .224 bullet widely available, including the 80 grain. Manufactured originally to stabilize SS109 and/or tracer ammo, but further military testing has shown other twists to be superior. Some of the very heavy custom stuff (87 grain?) may work well, but why?[*]1x8 Great twist for 69-80 grain bullets. Sierra once informed me that the perfect twist for their 80gr was 1x8.2xxxxx (blah blah blah big long engineers explanation followed).[*]1x9 Good all around twist ratio. Best suited for 52-69 grain, but either end of the envelope will be questionable.[*]1x10 Practically the same as 1x9, but favors the lighter side a little more.[*]1x12 Great for the 40-52 grain bullets. Most often found on bolt action rifles as their primary use is varminting. All right for the 55 grain, but not the best.[*]1x14 If you want to under stabilize the .224 bullet, use this twist. Useless except for tumbling effect it causes upon bullet impact. IMHO, better to shoot straight with a good HP bullet as your chances to hit are better and damage will most likely be greater also. [/ul] Wow....I seriously want to thank you for taking the time to give me such a detailed explanation of the twists! While I have been looking I have seen the 1 in 12 and 1 in 14, but in all truth I had no clue what the difference even if there was a difference. With my higher caliber weapons, I have never had to really concern myself with that sort of thing because I know I wouldn't find a good shot farther than about 100 yards out. The savage that I was looking at actually was one with a 1 in 12, but it was the cheaper model. For 80 dollars more you can get one with a 1 in 10 I believe, or it was a1 in 9 I thinkis what it was. I'm going to go with that one now! So in retrospect...you costs me a few extra dollars, but for accuracy and barrel life span's sake...I thank you for that! Sincerely grateful, ~Cam People like RJH make these forums worth the time to make a discussion. [font="trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica"] |
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The .22-250 round isnt usually hard to find in most places and it usually runs about $20 a box. .223 ammo is really cheap because the military uses .223 for their main caliber so there is always army surplus and alot of it. Its about the easiest ammo to find. Go with whichever one you want. I would say get the .223 because I know from experience you wont be shooting as far as you say your going to and if you have to shoot that far it can be done with a .223. Bottom line, .223's are cheap as is there ammo and there is alot of both and they can shoot very long ranges if you know what your doing. .243 is a good round but if your going to shoot alot its going to punish your shoulder and so would a .22-250. A .220 swift is going to tend to get pushed around by the wind alot more so i wouldnt suggest using one for this range. A .223 would be a good choice!! And you asked if getting a Savage .223 would make you happy...... VERY. I have a Savage 10FP .223 Tactical(oooo theres that word again:eek:) and i love the thing to death. It was a $600 gun but i got it for $300 because it was about a year old and they lowered the price. Still shoots like anyone would wish for.
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ORIGINAL: jake smith09 .223 ammo is really cheap because the military uses .223 for their main caliber so there is always army surplus and alot of it. Its about the easiest ammo to find. |
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Hey, I just want to thank all of you for taking the time to point me in the right direction. When you spend the kind of money that it takes to buy a new gun/scope/accessories, it is a good thing to not only research professional sources, but also consumer users that are using the firearms in the same way you plan on to.
Problem is, sometimes it is hard to get the consumer info because there are a lot of people that would rather take the time to give a smart a** answer and try to make you feel small because you might not know as much as them. It shows a lot about the kind of people that shoot and hunt....I find tons of helpful and sincere folks on these forums. Try getting good info on a paintball forum....www.paintball.com for example. It's ridiculous! Sincerely....thank you all again for your help! ~Cam |
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Yes the .223 will work ok and if you shoot enough to know your rifle and round you choose. Now for Jake*** what are you talking about ,the .22-250 and .243 hurting your shoulder??? The swift getting blowed around by the wind ?? Well first off lets talk about the .224 bullet, isnt the bullet in your .223 the same as the swift and the 22-250.Of course it is so why would the wind blow the swift and not the 22-250 and .223?
Now for the recoil issue, If a .224/.243 calibur cartridge is hurting your shoulder when you shoot it, maybe you need never mind!!! Have fun. |
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ORIGINAL: jake smith09 The .22-250 round isnt usually hard to find in most places and it usually runs about $20 a box. .223 ammo is really cheap because the military uses .223 for their main caliber so there is always army surplus and alot of it. Its about the easiest ammo to find. Go with whichever one you want. I would say get the .223 because I know from experience you wont be shooting as far as you say your going to and if you have to shoot that far it can be done with a .223. Bottom line, .223's are cheap as is there ammo and there is alot of both and they can shoot very long ranges if you know what your doing. .243 is a good round but if your going to shoot alot its going to punish your shoulder and so would a .22-250. A .220 swift is going to tend to get pushed around by the wind alot more so i wouldnt suggest using one for this range. A .223 would be a good choice!! And you asked if getting a Savage .223 would make you happy...... VERY. I have a Savage 10FP .223 Tactical(oooo theres that word again:eek:) and i love the thing to death. It was a $600 gun but i got it for $300 because it was about a year old and they lowered the price. Still shoots like anyone would wish for. If you are going to be consistenly shooting 400-500m, you are going to be better off to bump up to the 243. |
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yes actually they have been saying there is going to be a short on .223 ammo but everywhere ive looked anyway that has yet to be seen. I agree with rammer about jumping up to a .243 but like i said.... most of the time you wont be shooting as far as you said you will be.
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ORIGINAL: DANTHEHUNTER Yes the .223 will work ok and if you shoot enough to know your rifle and round you choose. Now for Jake*** what are you talking about ,the .22-250 and .243 hurting your shoulder??? The swift getting blowed around by the wind ?? Well first off lets talk about the .224 bullet, isnt the bullet in your .223 the same as the swift and the 22-250.Of course it is so why would the wind blow the swift and not the 22-250 and .223? Now for the recoil issue, If a .224/.243 calibur cartridge is hurting your shoulder when you shoot it, maybe you need never mind!!! Have fun. Actually dan the .220 swift is a lighter bullet and if you knew anything you would realize the .220 swift is a .20 caliber bullet. Its lighter may be faster but its lighter. The .22-250 is a little heavier than the .223, they are both .22 caliber bullets but the 250 is a little heavier. The 250 and .243(shooting all day) can make you a little sore. I know this from experience. Just go out to a p dog field for a day or two and then come back and tell me about how it doesent bother your shoulder a little bit. And by the way i never said the .223 hurt my shoulder. I said the 250 and .243 does. Dont start stuff on here it leads to bans and all other kinds of things. As far as im concerned this is the end of this little convo, dont know about everyone else though. have a good one;) |
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ORIGINAL: jake smith09 ORIGINAL: DANTHEHUNTER Yes the .223 will work ok and if you shoot enough to know your rifle and round you choose. Now for Jake*** what are you talking about ,the .22-250 and .243 hurting your shoulder??? The swift getting blowed around by the wind ?? Well first off lets talk about the .224 bullet, isnt the bullet in your .223 the same as the swift and the 22-250.Of course it is so why would the wind blow the swift and not the 22-250 and .223? Now for the recoil issue, If a .224/.243 calibur cartridge is hurting your shoulder when you shoot it, maybe you need never mind!!! Have fun. Actually dan the .220 swift is a lighter bullet and if you knew anything you would realize the .220 swift is a .20 caliber bullet. Its lighter may be faster but its lighter. The .22-250 is a little heavier than the .223, they are both .22 caliber bullets but the 250 is a little heavier. The 250 and .243(shooting all day) can make you a little sore. I know this from experience. Just go out to a p dog field for a day or two and then come back and tell me about how it doesent bother your shoulder a little bit. And by the way i never said the .223 hurt my shoulder. I said the 250 and .243 does. Dont start stuff on here it leads to bans and all other kinds of things. As far as im concerned this is the end of this little convo, dont know about everyone else though. have a good one;) I'm really glad you clarified yourself! [8D] Just one suggestion. Do a lil research before you open your mouth again. Your WRONG once again.......:eek: |
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Jake, a 220 swift is a .224 caliber round.
Jake, a .223 and a 22-250 can shoot the same weight of bullet. Jake, a 22-250 in a factory rifle "usually" comes in a slower twist than a .223 and therefor needs a lighter bullet to work properly. (Even though I shoot a heavier bullet out of my Savage Model 12 22-250 (1:12 twist) than I do the same gun in .223 (1:9 twist), but that is what I found they like) |
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Thanks Rammer, and I have been around guns and hunting my whole life, so I can usually pick out the stuff that is just "talking" or opinion because someones shoulder is made out of butter! =)
Sometimes I ask questions just to verify something that I think I have discovered or learned, and I just want to see what other people have to say. I have decided on the .223 due to the fact the my brother has one and we are going to go in on bulk ammo together to get a better deal. However, I think I'm going to get a .243 as well, not only for varmint hunting, but for deer hunting as well to avoid bruising and "blood shot" to any meat I may hit. THANKS AGAIN TO ALL THE FOLKS THAT OFFER ME INFORMATION!!! I honestly hope that one day I can help all of you in some way as well! As for Mr. Jake....if a .243 caliber weapon is causing you shoulder problems, I would suggest maybe getting a butt pad instead of shooting it with straight wood....obviously with some nails or someting sticking out of it too cause that is the only way a .243 would make you sore with it's recoil...Either that or hold it a little tighter to your shoulder!!!.....haha...I do appreciate the time you took to answer my post though! ~Cam |
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I love my .223 but now that I am shooting (and loading) my own .243 ammo, I am loving it more. A .243 will do all that you are asking and more, but if you plan to shoot that far and accurately, the choice of ammo will be the biggest equation. If you plan on bulk buying, buy the good stuff. In .223 it will be a lot cheaper.
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Yeah, we already agreed that we are going to get only quality rounds, none of those "grab" bags that have an assortment of goodies.
I'm just going to take the hit in the yardage. In the military I consistently pegged 300 meter targets with open sites on my M16A2, which is the 5.56mm NATOround that we so commonly and lovingly refer to as the .223. I figure if I can do that, with good optics and a nice heavy barrelled weapon...I should be able to do some pretty nice damage at a good distance! Like I said though, I'm not going competition, and it will just be for fun.....not to mention I don't think I want to spend the money to get good enough to peg targets at the .243's effective range! I do want to start reloading though! I just need to wait until my wife and I buy our house and I have a garage to get the area to reload all set-up! Thanks for the reply though....you seem like you certainly know what you are talking about, and I appreciate your input! I can learn a lot from people like you, that's for sure! Thanks again, ~Cam |
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Fuzzyballs44 - I see your in northern ID. I am going to be out in that area in Sept for an archery elk hunt. I'll let ya know some more details as I know more, we could maybe meet and have a beer or 2.
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I am going to have to stop loading for my swift!!! I have been using the wrong bullets ,Thanks Jake you are my hero!!! He isnt worth the breath.
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Here Jake this what a rifle looks like. It is a .220 swift ruger M77 MKII target.It shoots a.224- 40 grain hornaday v-max bullet at 4150fps.
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Absolutely....I'm always up for a few stories over a beer with a fellow hunter!
Just keep in touch, I will help you out if I can with anything...I was born and raised here and know quite a bit of territory to in dem der hills of N. Idaho. ~Cam |
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ORIGINAL: jake smith09 ORIGINAL: DANTHEHUNTER Yes the .223 will work ok and if you shoot enough to know your rifle and round you choose. Now for Jake*** what are you talking about ,the .22-250 and .243 hurting your shoulder??? The swift getting blowed around by the wind ?? Well first off lets talk about the .224 bullet, isnt the bullet in your .223 the same as the swift and the 22-250.Of course it is so why would the wind blow the swift and not the 22-250 and .223? Now for the recoil issue, If a .224/.243 calibur cartridge is hurting your shoulder when you shoot it, maybe you need never mind!!! Have fun. Actually dan the .220 swift is a lighter bullet and if you knew anything you would realize the .220 swift is a .20 caliber bullet. Its lighter may be faster but its lighter. The .22-250 is a little heavier than the .223, they are both .22 caliber bullets but the 250 is a little heavier. The 250 and .243(shooting all day) can make you a little sore. I know this from experience. Just go out to a p dog field for a day or two and then come back and tell me about how it doesent bother your shoulder a little bit. And by the way i never said the .223 hurt my shoulder. I said the 250 and .243 does. Dont start stuff on here it leads to bans and all other kinds of things. As far as im concerned this is the end of this little convo, dont know about everyone else though. have a good one;) After reading the lastest Jakes "tactical" gospel, As a fellow Ohioian I must imploreHNI members not to judge all hunters in the good state of Ohio by the "googled" responses of one misinformed indvidual. Therefore I feel that from this time forward all of"tactical Jakes"posts should contain the following warning: THE VIEWS AND EVENTS IN THIS POST, EVEN THOSE LOOSELY BASEDON FACT-- ARE ENTIRELY FICTIONAL,, ANY AND ALL FACTS HAVE BEEN GOOGLED, POORLY, THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS POOR USE OFCOMMON SENSEAND DUE TO ITS INACCURATE NATURE SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED BY ANYONE...;) |
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AMEN !!
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fuzzyballs - I guess we are staying in Thompson Falls or Trout Creek. How far is that from ya? We will be hunting in Unit 4.
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Wow lowtemp i cannot believe your so mature to bring up past things from 2 months ago. You really need to grow up. These forums are for people to learn from, to to argue on. If you want to argue call me (937-273-5173) And I know whenever you respond to this your going to say something stupid about " why would i want to call you " or something stupid. If i had to guess i would say your 14-16 years old and that would explain alot, and of course your gonna come back saying your 20 or 30 something becuase thats what a dum 14-16 year old would do. Im going to do something you obviously cant do and that is be the mature one and quit with the bickering that you cannot drop. Im going to stick to the topic as i hope everyone else will do...... Good luck and hunt safe!!!! OOO and by the way sorry for the not knowing the .220 swift stuff, I not realize im wrong after looking into it. I just thought that was a .20 cal. Thanks for correcting me!!;)
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500 meters...
barret 50 cal might serve your purpose... (jk) |
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It prolly would... It would only have a little pelt damage though!!:D;)
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Wow. Isnt their an age restriction on these boards?
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ORIGINAL: jake smith09 Wow lowtemp i cannot believe your so mature to bring up past things from 2 months ago. You really need to grow up. These forums are for people to learn from, to to argue on. If you want to argue call me (937-273-5173) And I know whenever you respond to this your going to say something stupid about " why would i want to call you " or something stupid. If i had to guess i would say your 14-16 years old and that would explain alot, and of course your gonna come back saying your 20 or 30 something becuase thats what a dum 14-16 year old would do. Im going to do something you obviously cant do and that is be the mature one and quit with the bickering that you cannot drop. Im going to stick to the topic as i hope everyone else will do...... Good luck and hunt safe!!!! OOO and by the way sorry for the not knowing the .220 swift stuff, I not realize im wrong after looking into it. I just thought that was a .20 cal. Thanks for correcting me!!;) |
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Jake buddy, aren't you the same guy a month ago that told me a .223 shoots flatter than a .22-250 ? I think the problem is youneed to geta little more practicle experience.Wanting to help is cool. But putting your real phone number on the internet is not.It is very easy to find where you live andif some criminal wanted a new savage he now knows where you live.There are also anti hunting people that could vandalise your parents home. I not trying to be a jerk but putting your phone number on the internet is very very dangerousyou never know who is looking. be safe. Anyways a .22-250 and a .243 do not have severe recoil to most people and if they think those kick hard they most likely will think a .223 kicks hard also.
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Jake,
I will take a pass on arguing with you,What will you post next? That your dad can beat up my dad?Good news for both of you,He probably can since my dad is in his late 60's. Jake, Have you evergiven any thought towritingnovels or becoming a politician?FranklyIhave togiveyou credit, you have a good imagination and the "making up lies" part of your signature down to a science....Owning a Savage .223be it yours or your Uncles,423+ posts in 3 months,and the ability to google doesnt make you the expert you act like you are. PS-- How about posting some pictures fromthe hunting trip you took right after christmas(what was it again a 30 day hunt?)where you shot 36 "yotes" PSS-- While your posting pictures how about a couple of the squirrels you shot in the head with your .223 using FMJ ammo please |
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ORIGINAL: lowtempguru Jake, I will take a pass on arguing with you,What will you post next? That your dad can beat up my dad?Good news for both of you,He probably can since my dad is in his late 60's. Jake, Have you evergiven any thought towritingnovels or becoming a politician?FranklyIhave give you credit you have a good imagination and the "making up lies" part of your signature down to a science.... Having a savage,423 posts in 3 months,and the ability to google doesnt make you the expert you act like you are. PS-- How about posting some pics fromhunting trip you took right after christmas(what was it again a 30 day hunt?)where you shot 36 "yotes" |
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Actually i didnt say i got 36 coyotes just on that trip it was that and around here. Again people that just cannot mature a lil bit and drop something because of one false comment which ive learned from. Just go on with your lives people..... Stick to the subject! Thanks;)
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You know what Jake....when I see someone make as many enemies as you have obviously made....I don't blame the people that are criticizing you. I might not side with them either, but one thing I will do is blame the person that is being ridiculed.
Especially when I see that the people that are looking down on you are well spoken, intelligent and speak from honest experience. I'm not saying that I am perfect...because I am not, and I don't want you to turn this around on me and make a feeble attempt at attacking me. What might be healthy for you to is...for your sake and for your future happiness in socialistic environments....is figure out what behavior of YOURS is causing this sour attitude towards you. It is not them just being mean or being "immature", because in all truth, I don't think they are being very aggressive at all. Something YOU did is causing there reaction towards you, and unless you change that behavior....this is the kind of thing you will face your entire sociallife. Just a thought, and I'm not saying thisbecause I am all wise and knowing...I'm saying thisin concern for a fellow hunter and fellowhuman being. Just something to think about! ;) |
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ORIGINAL: Rammer fuzzyballs - I guess we are staying in Thompson Falls or Trout Creek. How far is that from ya? We will be hunting in Unit 4. |
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ORIGINAL: Fuzzyballs44 ORIGINAL: Rammer fuzzyballs - I guess we are staying in Thompson Falls or Trout Creek. How far is that from ya? We will be hunting in Unit 4. |
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ORIGINAL: Rammer ORIGINAL: Fuzzyballs44 ORIGINAL: Rammer fuzzyballs - I guess we are staying in Thompson Falls or Trout Creek. How far is that from ya? We will be hunting in Unit 4. |
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ORIGINAL: Fuzzyballs44 ORIGINAL: Rammer ORIGINAL: Fuzzyballs44 ORIGINAL: Rammer fuzzyballs - I guess we are staying in Thompson Falls or Trout Creek. How far is that from ya? We will be hunting in Unit 4. I'm about a tank and a half of gas and a 24 pack of beer out of trout creek bro! |
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ORIGINAL: Fuzzyballs44 You know what Jake....when I see someone make as many enemies as you have obviously made....I don't blame the people that are criticizing you. I might not side with them either, but one thing I will do is blame the person that is being ridiculed. Especially when I see that the people that are looking down on you are well spoken, intelligent and speak from honest experience. I'm not saying that I am perfect...because I am not, and I don't want you to turn this around on me and make a feeble attempt at attacking me. What might be healthy for you to is...for your sake and for your future happiness in socialistic environments....is figure out what behavior of YOURS is causing this sour attitude towards you. It is not them just being mean or being "immature", because in all truth, I don't think they are being very aggressive at all. Something YOU did is causing there reaction towards you, and unless you change that behavior....this is the kind of thing you will face your entire sociallife. Just a thought, and I'm not saying thisbecause I am all wise and knowing...I'm saying thisin concern for a fellow hunter and fellowhuman being. Just something to think about! ;) |
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I got to thinking today. Its going to take us roughly 20 hours to get to Idaho.........Thats alot of suitcases of Busch Light......Might have to pull my enclosed trailer.......;)
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