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22WMR or the 17HMR
What should I get the 22WMR or the 17HMR. I like both but I
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
GET THE .22WMR! SAME SPEED BUT BIGGER BULLET! also, they only sell .17HMR in ballistic tip. If ur shootin somethin small at close range, ur in trouble. .22WMRs go from #10 or #9 birdshot to ballistic tip, including flat nose, hollow point, and all kinds of other bullets. i have a $100 scope for my .22WMR and it has 1.9inch groups at 200 yards. using federal premiums and remington.
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
NONE of the above statement is true. Other than maybe his personal accuracy results.
The 17hmr is by and far thefaster of the two cartridges. Anaverage 22wmr is below 2000ft/s; the norm with 17hmr is 2550ft/s. Some are chronographing their 17hmr's at over 2600ft/s. There are three different bullets made for the 17hmr and they are distributed by over five companies. Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Federal, CCI, and S&B. The first and second bulletsare the lightest and fastest of the three, one has explosive results on small game. This is the 17gr polymer tipped hornady v-max round. Next there is the 17gr. CCI TNT hollow point. This has more penetration and less explosive results. Last there is the new 20gr Hornady XTP also known as the CCI Game point. This is a 20gr plated projectile that expands like a hunting bullet. It still starts over 2250ft/s. Next. Although Coloradoprohunter might have a more accurate 22wmr than most, the overwhelming NORM will be that a stock or factory 17hmr will be much more accurate than a stock 22wmr. The trajectory of a 17HMR is much flatter than that of a 22wmr although it does give up a little in the way of ft/lbs of energy. A 17hmr in the hands of a good shooter can be a very effective 250yd or more varmint gun. Also many who have bedded the stocks and done trigger work on their 17hmr's have seen .5 inch group norms at 100yds. I personally have a 17hmr that is completely stock, and it shoots right at 1 inch at 100yds. Good luck deciding, and the 17hmr is a fun little round. My baby!!!  |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
If you plan on shooting coyotes, get the .22 WMR. It shoots a bigger bullet with a little more energy. Your range with either one will be limited. You want the bullet to deliver enough power to get the job done. The .17 HMR shoots a little flatter and chronographs a little nicer, but performance on paper doesn't always equal performance in the field.
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
KansasHunter5 how much is that rifle
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
 ORIGINAL: coloradoprohunter GET THE .22WMR! SAME SPEED BUT BIGGER BULLET! also, they only sell .17HMR in ballistic tip. If ur shootin somethin small at close range, ur in trouble. .22WMRs go from #10 or #9 birdshot to ballistic tip, including flat nose, hollow point, and all kinds of other bullets. i have a $100 scope for my .22WMR and it has 1.9inch groups at 200 yards. using federal premiums and remington. I dont know where you get your info butttt the 17hmr is 300fps faster at the muzzle and 400 fps faster at 50 yds 500 at 150yds! and thats with the fastest wmr. also cci and federal make a gamepoint that is not balistic tip! itsajacketed hollowpoint! daes not tear up meat neer asbadI have both a wmr and a hmr. 1.9 inch groups with a.22wmr at 200??????thats impresiveMy 22-250 will do that at 200 and its 3800at muzzle and a 16 power scope! ? the gun above can be .17hmr or 22wmr in ten minutes |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Well said Kansashunter The one major drawback to the .17 is it is tereble in a crosswind! Man that little bullet can drift.
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
That gun is a Marlin 17v. You can get the new model 917v at most gun stores for 180-199 dollars. They also have a stainless steel version of the gun with a laminate stock for 299 dollars.
Marlin web site http://marlinfirearms.com/ And yes i agree with the crosswind. It is a disasterfor accuracy out past 100yds. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Marlin makes some very nice, very affordable rimfire rifles. A guy I know took his Marlin to a rimfire paper match, and he finished second, only to a guy with an Anschutz (costs big $$$$$).
Gene62, is that a 10/22? How much did accuracy improve after adding the new barrel. I've been thinking about getting a 10/22 and going hog wild accessorizing it. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
That must be a 10/22 mag. 22mag barrel, factory stock. Bull 17hmr barrel and aftermarket stock. It looks amazing by the way. I have a 10/22 lr and I love it. My next purchase is a 77/22 mag to convert into a 22mag/17hmr.
Gene please let us know what manufacturer of barrel you have and the stock too. I really like that stock. Nice sleek look to it. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
It started life as a 22 mag I replaced the trigger and added the .17hmr barrel from magnum research. 2lb triggerIt is scary accurate as long as the wind is low! I can tell you this it (WONT) shoot 1.9 inch groups at 200yds!!!! But on a good rest it will put five in one hole at 25yds SAME HOLE nickle size at 50 and half moa at 100 with no wind. And a good day for me! not all my days are good shooting days. I use it for squirrel hunting mostly!
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Northtexan if you got a foxpro for Xmas someone likes you!
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
i have to agree with KH5, the 17 HMR is normally, not always, a better shooting gun than its 22 mag. counterparts. the wind drift is not at all that bad as some make it to be. A 243 with a 75 grain bullet will drift more than a 220 swift with a 50 gr. bullet. Now that everybody thinks i forgot my medicine ill tell you the balck magic behind this theory. the time it takes a bullet to reach its target has a very large affet on the wind drift the 220 swift will get to its target faster therefore being exposed to the wind less than the 243 with the above mentioned bullets. I happen to have probably killed well over 50 squirrls, 10 crows, exactly 50 rabbits numerous coyotesand a LARGE seal with my marlin 917. i belive it has many advantages over the 22 mag including the flat trajectory. So my respect for the 17 HMR has been earned in the last 2 years ive had a rifle in that caliber. When shooting the smaller animals the bullets with the a-max tips or the newer federal round they tend to deliver more explosive effect. while using the CCI hollowpoints they tend to not expand at all on squirrls, while the deliver more penatration and reliable expansion on the larger animals like rabbit an the coyotes (the cototes in my area dont go over about 30 pounds). I havent used the 20gr. XTP or gamepoint bullets yet so i cant comment on them yet but i suppose they would give a deeper penatration and a slower velosity.
P.S if you want to calulate the difference in wind drift between the 220 swfrt and 243 go ahead, the difference is only about a 1/5 of an inch at 200 yardsbut it still proves a point: heavier bullets dont alway have less wind drift compared to lighter, faster bullets. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Yep bigmatt. It all really depends on a lot of factors. Time a bullet takes is a big part in that factor. The BC of the 17hmr is very measly at .125, but it sure does get there fast. Either way the 17hmr does drift a little more, but I still love the round.
PS I just got a new Laminate stock in the mail from Brownells that will go on my 17v. gonna look awesome. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Dunno about killing power, but in terms of accuracy and range, I'll take the .17 anytime. A few months ago, i dropped a crow out of the top of a tree at about 230 yards with some cross wind. I wouldn't have even taken that shot with a .22mag.
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: coloradoprohunter GET THE .22WMR! SAME SPEED BUT BIGGER BULLET! also, they only sell .17HMR in ballistic tip. If ur shootin somethin small at close range, ur in trouble. .22WMRs go from #10 or #9 birdshot to ballistic tip, including flat nose, hollow point, and all kinds of other bullets. i have a $100 scope for my .22WMR and it has 1.9inch groups at 200 yards. using federal premiums and remington. What were you smoking?  |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Dunno about killing power, but in terms of accuracy and range, I'll take the .17 anytime. A few months ago, i dropped a crow out of the top of a tree at about 230 yards with some cross wind. I wouldn't have even taken that shot with a .22mag. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: bigmatty65 i have to agree with KH5, the 17 HMR is normally, not always, a better shooting gun than its 22 mag. counterparts. the wind drift is not at all that bad as some make it to be. A 243 with a 75 grain bullet will drift more than a 220 swift with a 50 gr. bullet. Now that everybody thinks i forgot my medicine ill tell you the balck magic behind this theory. the time it takes a bullet to reach its target has a very large affet on the wind drift the 220 swift will get to its target faster therefore being exposed to the wind less than the 243 with the above mentioned bullets. I happen to have probably killed well over 50 squirrls, 10 crows, exactly 50 rabbits numerous coyotesand a LARGE seal with my marlin 917. i belive it has many advantages over the 22 mag including the flat trajectory. So my respect for the 17 HMR has been earned in the last 2 years ive had a rifle in that caliber. When shooting the smaller animals the bullets with the a-max tips or the newer federal round they tend to deliver more explosive effect. while using the CCI hollowpoints they tend to not expand at all on squirrls, while the deliver more penatration and reliable expansion on the larger animals like rabbit an the coyotes (the cototes in my area dont go over about 30 pounds). I havent used the 20gr. XTP or gamepoint bullets yet so i cant comment on them yet but i suppose they would give a deeper penatration and a slower velosity. P.S if you want to calulate the difference in wind drift between the 220 swfrt and 243 go ahead, the difference is only about a 1/5 of an inch at 200 yardsbut it still proves a point: heavier bullets dont alway have less wind drift compared to lighter, faster bullets. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Gene,
My rifle is sighted in for 100 yards. But I have a pretty good idea of the drop across distance, so I adjusted my aim accordingly. Still a lucky shot, but one that i would not have even considered with a .22mag. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
The drift of 1/5 of an inch at 200 yards was the DIFFERENCE between the 220 swift with a 50 grain bullet and a 243 with a 70gr. bullet. Wind drift for the 17 HMR wiht a 17 grain bullet is -3.71 inches at 100 yards, and -20 inches at 200 yards. the drop for the 17 at 200 yards with a 100 yard zero is -19 inches. at 225 yards the bullet drop would be -26 inches with a 100 yard zero. and no my rifle is no exception from wind drift, but if your careful and know how to read the wind it isnt that big of a problem. and i also limit my self to about 150 yards. and besides if i want to take long shots ill whip the240 weatherby with 55 gr. siearra bltizkings.
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: bigmatty65 if i want to take long shots ill whip the240 weatherby with 55 gr. siearra bltizkings. That will do it! |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: gene62 ORIGINAL: bigmatty65 if i want to take long shots ill whip the 240 weatherby with 55 gr. siearra bltizkings. That will do it! |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Calm down Coyotestalker so we got a little off subject! everything will be OK :)
The real fact is we don't live in a perfect world we have bullet drift and drop on all calibers. The .22mag has a place in this world or it would not have lived this long and I think the .17hmr is a fun little round and will be around awhile! I squirrel hunt with mine and do quite well at head shots4 out of 5 times. the game points do less meat damage than do the ballistic tip do and they penetrate very well. I do think I like the 17 for longer shots than I do my 22 wmr. the downside is I can shoot a .223 for about the same money as the .17hmr |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: gene62 Calm down Coyotestalker so we got a little off subject! everything will be OK :) The real fact is we don't live in a perfect world we have bullet drift and drop on all calibers. The .22mag has a place in this world or it would not have lived this long and I think the .17hmr is a fun little round and will be around awhile! I squirrel hunt with mine and do quite well at head shots4 out of 5 times. the game points do less meat damage than do the ballistic tip do and they penetrate very well. I do think I like the 17 for longer shots than I do my 22 wmr. the downside is I can shoot a .223 for about the same money as the .17hmr You got me wrong, I forgot to put a smiley face on the post.:) I was merely saying that people were getting off the subject that was orignally presented. No need to get the panties up in a bunch, on both sides. Keep on varminting with that .17HMR. |
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
.17 hmr hands down. i own one as wel and it never ceases to amaze me each and every time i shoot it.
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