22WMR or the 17HMR
02-06-2006, 07:17 PM
#11
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Graham Texas
Posts: 193
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
It started life as a 22 mag I replaced the trigger and added the .17hmr barrel from magnum research. 2lb triggerIt is scary accurate as long as the wind is low! I can tell you this it (WONT) shoot 1.9 inch groups at 200yds!!!! But on a good rest it will put five in one hole at 25yds SAME HOLE nickle size at 50 and half moa at 100 with no wind. And a good day for me! not all my days are good shooting days. I use it for squirrel hunting mostly!
02-07-2006, 04:31 PM
#13
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Posts: 368
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
i have to agree with KH5, the 17 HMR is normally, not always, a better shooting gun than its 22 mag. counterparts. the wind drift is not at all that bad as some make it to be. A 243 with a 75 grain bullet will drift more than a 220 swift with a 50 gr. bullet. Now that everybody thinks i forgot my medicine ill tell you the balck magic behind this theory. the time it takes a bullet to reach its target has a very large affet on the wind drift the 220 swift will get to its target faster therefore being exposed to the wind less than the 243 with the above mentioned bullets. I happen to have probably killed well over 50 squirrls, 10 crows, exactly 50 rabbits numerous coyotesand a LARGE seal with my marlin 917. i belive it has many advantages over the 22 mag including the flat trajectory. So my respect for the 17 HMR has been earned in the last 2 years ive had a rifle in that caliber. When shooting the smaller animals the bullets with the a-max tips or the newer federal round they tend to deliver more explosive effect. while using the CCI hollowpoints they tend to not expand at all on squirrls, while the deliver more penatration and reliable expansion on the larger animals like rabbit an the coyotes (the cototes in my area dont go over about 30 pounds). I havent used the 20gr. XTP or gamepoint bullets yet so i cant comment on them yet but i suppose they would give a deeper penatration and a slower velosity.
P.S if you want to calulate the difference in wind drift between the 220 swfrt and 243 go ahead, the difference is only about a 1/5 of an inch at 200 yardsbut it still proves a point: heavier bullets dont alway have less wind drift compared to lighter, faster bullets.
P.S if you want to calulate the difference in wind drift between the 220 swfrt and 243 go ahead, the difference is only about a 1/5 of an inch at 200 yardsbut it still proves a point: heavier bullets dont alway have less wind drift compared to lighter, faster bullets.
02-07-2006, 06:54 PM
#14
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Kansas
Posts: 178
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Yep bigmatt. It all really depends on a lot of factors. Time a bullet takes is a big part in that factor. The BC of the 17hmr is very measly at .125, but it sure does get there fast. Either way the 17hmr does drift a little more, but I still love the round.
PS I just got a new Laminate stock in the mail from Brownells that will go on my 17v. gonna look awesome.
PS I just got a new Laminate stock in the mail from Brownells that will go on my 17v. gonna look awesome.
02-07-2006, 09:09 PM
#15
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Dunno about killing power, but in terms of accuracy and range, I'll take the .17 anytime. A few months ago, i dropped a crow out of the top of a tree at about 230 yards with some cross wind. I wouldn't have even taken that shot with a .22mag.
02-07-2006, 10:24 PM
#16
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: coloradoprohunter
GET THE .22WMR! SAME SPEED BUT BIGGER BULLET! also, they only sell .17HMR in ballistic tip. If ur shootin somethin small at close range, ur in trouble. .22WMRs go from #10 or #9 birdshot to ballistic tip, including flat nose, hollow point, and all kinds of other bullets. i have a $100 scope for my .22WMR and it has 1.9inch groups at 200 yards. using federal premiums and remington.
GET THE .22WMR! SAME SPEED BUT BIGGER BULLET! also, they only sell .17HMR in ballistic tip. If ur shootin somethin small at close range, ur in trouble. .22WMRs go from #10 or #9 birdshot to ballistic tip, including flat nose, hollow point, and all kinds of other bullets. i have a $100 scope for my .22WMR and it has 1.9inch groups at 200 yards. using federal premiums and remington.
What were you smoking?
02-08-2006, 12:28 AM
#17
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Graham Texas
Posts: 193
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche
Dunno about killing power, but in terms of accuracy and range, I'll take the .17 anytime. A few months ago, i dropped a crow out of the top of a tree at about 230 yards with some cross wind. I wouldn't have even taken that shot with a .22mag.
Dunno about killing power, but in terms of accuracy and range, I'll take the .17 anytime. A few months ago, i dropped a crow out of the top of a tree at about 230 yards with some cross wind. I wouldn't have even taken that shot with a .22mag.
02-08-2006, 12:44 AM
#18
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Graham Texas
Posts: 193
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
ORIGINAL: bigmatty65
i have to agree with KH5, the 17 HMR is normally, not always, a better shooting gun than its 22 mag. counterparts. the wind drift is not at all that bad as some make it to be. A 243 with a 75 grain bullet will drift more than a 220 swift with a 50 gr. bullet. Now that everybody thinks i forgot my medicine ill tell you the balck magic behind this theory. the time it takes a bullet to reach its target has a very large affet on the wind drift the 220 swift will get to its target faster therefore being exposed to the wind less than the 243 with the above mentioned bullets. I happen to have probably killed well over 50 squirrls, 10 crows, exactly 50 rabbits numerous coyotesand a LARGE seal with my marlin 917. i belive it has many advantages over the 22 mag including the flat trajectory. So my respect for the 17 HMR has been earned in the last 2 years ive had a rifle in that caliber. When shooting the smaller animals the bullets with the a-max tips or the newer federal round they tend to deliver more explosive effect. while using the CCI hollowpoints they tend to not expand at all on squirrls, while the deliver more penatration and reliable expansion on the larger animals like rabbit an the coyotes (the cototes in my area dont go over about 30 pounds). I havent used the 20gr. XTP or gamepoint bullets yet so i cant comment on them yet but i suppose they would give a deeper penatration and a slower velosity.
P.S if you want to calulate the difference in wind drift between the 220 swfrt and 243 go ahead, the difference is only about a 1/5 of an inch at 200 yardsbut it still proves a point: heavier bullets dont alway have less wind drift compared to lighter, faster bullets.
i have to agree with KH5, the 17 HMR is normally, not always, a better shooting gun than its 22 mag. counterparts. the wind drift is not at all that bad as some make it to be. A 243 with a 75 grain bullet will drift more than a 220 swift with a 50 gr. bullet. Now that everybody thinks i forgot my medicine ill tell you the balck magic behind this theory. the time it takes a bullet to reach its target has a very large affet on the wind drift the 220 swift will get to its target faster therefore being exposed to the wind less than the 243 with the above mentioned bullets. I happen to have probably killed well over 50 squirrls, 10 crows, exactly 50 rabbits numerous coyotesand a LARGE seal with my marlin 917. i belive it has many advantages over the 22 mag including the flat trajectory. So my respect for the 17 HMR has been earned in the last 2 years ive had a rifle in that caliber. When shooting the smaller animals the bullets with the a-max tips or the newer federal round they tend to deliver more explosive effect. while using the CCI hollowpoints they tend to not expand at all on squirrls, while the deliver more penatration and reliable expansion on the larger animals like rabbit an the coyotes (the cototes in my area dont go over about 30 pounds). I havent used the 20gr. XTP or gamepoint bullets yet so i cant comment on them yet but i suppose they would give a deeper penatration and a slower velosity.
P.S if you want to calulate the difference in wind drift between the 220 swfrt and 243 go ahead, the difference is only about a 1/5 of an inch at 200 yardsbut it still proves a point: heavier bullets dont alway have less wind drift compared to lighter, faster bullets.
02-08-2006, 12:08 PM
#19
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
Gene,
My rifle is sighted in for 100 yards. But I have a pretty good idea of the drop across distance, so I adjusted my aim accordingly. Still a lucky shot, but one that i would not have even considered with a .22mag.
My rifle is sighted in for 100 yards. But I have a pretty good idea of the drop across distance, so I adjusted my aim accordingly. Still a lucky shot, but one that i would not have even considered with a .22mag.
02-08-2006, 04:20 PM
#20
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Posts: 368
RE: 22WMR or the 17HMR
The drift of 1/5 of an inch at 200 yards was the DIFFERENCE between the 220 swift with a 50 grain bullet and a 243 with a 70gr. bullet. Wind drift for the 17 HMR wiht a 17 grain bullet is -3.71 inches at 100 yards, and -20 inches at 200 yards. the drop for the 17 at 200 yards with a 100 yard zero is -19 inches. at 225 yards the bullet drop would be -26 inches with a 100 yard zero. and no my rifle is no exception from wind drift, but if your careful and know how to read the wind it isnt that big of a problem. and i also limit my self to about 150 yards. and besides if i want to take long shots ill whip the240 weatherby with 55 gr. siearra bltizkings.