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Forum: Technical
08-22-2007, 07:46 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 1,661
Posted By Black Frog

RE: How many paper tune each arrow

For the most part, yes. But even the best arrows are not perfectly spine consistent across a dozen, and not all are spine consistent within each shaft itself (stiff/weak side). But generally, you get...
Forum: Technical
06-16-2007, 09:09 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 4,148
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Falls Off when I draw Back

The only type of "loops" that slow the bow down that are worth mentioning are the metal type of loop that connects to the string. They are very hard on releases too. They are crap. So if your dealer...
Forum: Technical
06-06-2007, 12:16 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 483
Posted By Black Frog

RE: no peep

I've used the No Peep for years on my hunting bows and wouldn't be without it. I haven't tried the Anchor Sight but I know some that really like that one too. Very similar in function. The Anchor...
Forum: Technical
06-04-2007, 06:42 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,739
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Bow Presses

I have a Last Chance EZ Press. I like it a lot.

Something to think about when buying a new press. Take into consideration what bow you currently have that the press will be used on, and also...
Forum: Technical
06-04-2007, 06:34 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 860
Posted By Black Frog

RE: the "T" position

You can keep the "T". Bend at the waist, not at the shoulders when you're shooting down from a treestand.
Forum: Technical
06-01-2007, 11:13 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 5,746
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Draw Length & Arrow Length

That can be very risky if you're shooting broadheads, and I'd recommend against it.

If that arrow falls off the rest somehow (and it does happen), the shooter has NO WAY of getting it back into...
Forum: Technical
06-01-2007, 08:09 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 588
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Always wondered...

Wow- what a fun gig! I always wanted to tinker with a chamber, butnever got to use them for personal use for obvious reasons.

I'm jealous.[:'(]
Forum: Technical
05-31-2007, 10:39 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 588
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Always wondered...

Sure, easier said than done.

And what does the "SAME" mean? It would only be the same for that one location testing several bows. You could do it yourself when comparing bows, but realize the...
Forum: Technical
05-31-2007, 07:23 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 588
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Always wondered...

Tough to agree on a "standard" for noise testing.

Where do you sample the noise from the bow? 3 feet in front of? 1 foot off to the side? At 10yds? Is this measured indoor? Outdoors? (that will...
Forum: Technical
05-31-2007, 06:52 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 1,660
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow cutting

I don't paper test for spine. I'm fortunate enough to have my spine tester to check for consistency and individual shaft integrity, and also have a Hooter Shooter to play with. Only paper testing I...
Forum: Technical
05-30-2007, 09:29 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 1,660
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow cutting

Just a side note to what you mentioned. There are not just three orientations for a nock on a normal three-fletch arrow. There are six. Each fletch position can have the nock rotated 180 degrees,...
Forum: Technical
05-25-2007, 02:17 PM
Forum: Technical
05-25-2007, 11:43 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 579
Posted By Black Frog

RE: ~Can drawlength be determined by string length ?

Absolutely not.

Have him measure it like this, a vertical line from deepest part of the grip transfered up to the arrow shelf measured to the nock groove at full draw, and then add 1.75". This...
Forum: Technical
05-24-2007, 11:54 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,138
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Equalizer vs. Allegiance

Now there's something I never really understood.

Brand loyalty.

I've played with Dartons, Hoyts, Mathews, Parkers, Bowtechs, Merlins, Martins, Barnsdales, and PSE's. I picked the ones that...
Forum: Technical
05-24-2007, 09:04 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 2,063
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Question about stagerd veins

Here's an example. Some people stagger their vanes less than this also.

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Forum: Technical
05-24-2007, 08:40 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 2,063
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Question about stagerd veins

If you do staggered vanes, you'll get a LOT of questions about itfrom people at the range! ;)
Forum: Technical
05-24-2007, 08:36 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 541
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Mong or short stablizers?

Bow stabilization may not be all about 'balance' either.

Some tournament archers like a VERY forward weighted bow- some like a neutral, balanced setup. Very personal to what you'll find that...
Forum: Technical
05-24-2007, 07:30 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 2,384
Posted By Black Frog

RE: So I got my new X-Force....

I finally got to tinkering with new strings and cables that I made up.

The stock calbes from the factory were starting to have serving separation within 100 shots. Not so hot. So I made up some...
Forum: Technical
05-23-2007, 10:36 AM
Replies: 26
Views: 1,509
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Spine???????

I think a lot of people would be well-served to heed that bit of advice!;)
Forum: Technical
05-23-2007, 08:50 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,138
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Equalizer vs. Allegiance

Now that's why I tell people to go and shoot everything you can before buying.

I have NEVER been a PSE fan, and would have laughed if you told me I was going to own a PSE, but I liked the...
Forum: Technical
05-23-2007, 07:54 AM
Replies: 26
Views: 1,509
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Spine???????

I believe the standard is 880grams hanging from a 28" span.
Forum: Technical
05-23-2007, 07:28 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,138
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Equalizer vs. Allegiance

I know you guys are talking about Bowtechs, but as far as speed in a short draw- I think there's a couple a little faster.

Check out the Elite Envy and the PSE X-Force.

PSE put out a speed...
Forum: Technical
05-21-2007, 08:09 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 2,384
Posted By Black Frog

RE: So I got my new X-Force....

Len,

I finally got my smaller mods to get to my 27" draw. Feels good now for fit.

The rubber cushions under the limb pockets are not supposed to be compressed much, if any- They say...
Forum: Technical
05-18-2007, 01:34 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 2,953
Posted By Black Frog

RE: 'the best shooters in the world - hunters'???

Better archery through aggressive spending.

I've been guilty ofthat a time or two........
Forum: Technical
05-18-2007, 12:39 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

Well I guess it alldepends on how the arrow is'bent'or mis-shaped as to what results you'll find. And once the fletching and glue is applied- all bets are off as to finding the heavy side of the...
Forum: Technical
05-18-2007, 11:55 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

Well, think about this- what if you had a shaft that had a gentle arc runoutto it. As you spin it and it comes to rest, wouldn't the arc naturally go to lowest position, or at least tend to be in...
Forum: Technical
05-18-2007, 09:42 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 2,953
Posted By Black Frog

RE: 'the best shooters in the world - hunters'???

ya know I've shot some damn nice bucks before, but I wasn't nearly as nervous shooting those as I was being in a shoot-off in front of hundreds ofpeople for winning a large NFAA tournament. Or...
Forum: Technical
05-18-2007, 09:34 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

I have a Hooter Shooter (shooting machine) and while I haven't tested this scenario, I'd be willing to wager that with my spine/straightness tester that you could find the 'high' side of those .006"...
Forum: Technical
05-18-2007, 08:01 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

SA mentions cutting off both ends of the shaft. For me that is standard procedure except for EastonACC's and X7's.

I cut 1" off the rear of the arrow first thing. Then I cut the other end to...
Forum: Technical
05-17-2007, 09:11 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

Swamp-
The industry standard for measuring spine is 880grams hung from exactly a 28" span.

My spine tester is one I made myself. I posted this when I first built it couple of years ago:

...
Forum: Technical
05-17-2007, 02:09 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

Not especially. Maybe, maybe not. I dug up this post that I had made with spine results from a while ago. This was for a dozen of Easton Epic C2's and a dozen of ACC's. I didn't record the...
Forum: Technical
05-17-2007, 12:33 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 6,088
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Arrow Straightness - How Much Does it Matter?

To me, straightness is fairly important, but spine matching is even more important. I have a very accurate spine tester, and when it comes to fixed blade broadheads I'd rather have .005" runout and...
Forum: Technical
05-15-2007, 08:16 AM
Replies: 2
Views: 585
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Fletching related question

Red Lion-

Like a lot of things in archery- "it depends". ;)

Blazers tend to be shorter, but have a higher profile and are fairly stiff in composition. This lets them create the same...
Forum: Technical
05-08-2007, 01:16 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,571
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Anyone play with the new PSE X-Force yet?

I'm picking up my new bow press (Last Chance Archery) this evening that will correctly press the X-Force. :)

I'll get a chance to tinker with cam timing, orientation, speednock location, and...
Forum: Technical
05-04-2007, 06:53 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 2,384
Posted By Black Frog

RE: So I got my new X-Force....

Thanks Greg,

My whoops- I haven't checked my inbox totals for some time! It's empty now.

Thanks for the tip! :)
Forum: Technical
05-03-2007, 08:44 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 2,384
Posted By Black Frog

RE: So I got my new X-Force....

But that EQ 301fps was 1/2" over 27" AMO and at 61#, and the owner had 'tweaked' itas much as he could with cam rotation and letoff to squeeze the most out if it he could. We are estimating...
Forum: Technical
05-03-2007, 08:21 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 2,384
Posted By Black Frog

RE: So I got my new X-Force....

Len- funny you mention the BT Equalizer. I played with a friend's EQ which also had their "27 inch" module on it. I measured that to be long as well,just under 27.5" for the bow I tested. And at over...
Forum: Technical
05-02-2007, 09:50 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 2,384
Posted By Black Frog

So I got my new X-Force....

Well I picked up my new X-Force. The dealer had ordered two identical 60# versions, one for me and one to sell at the shop. I thought they felt long when I pulled them back at the factory-sent...
Forum: Technical
04-30-2007, 08:29 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,284
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Interesting STS find

Here's some pics of the AEP version. I have yet to try it, so I can't comment if it is better, worse, or no difference than the STS-type of supressor.

The slow-mo video was impressive. Because...
Forum: Technical
04-30-2007, 07:39 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,284
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Interesting STS find

Another "STS" related item...

I was rather intrigued with the new AEP version of an sts-type of device. Unfortunately they don't have it on their website, but at the bigger target shoots they...
Forum: Technical
04-30-2007, 06:35 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,571
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Anyone play with the new PSE X-Force yet?

Thanks for the note Len-

I'll take full measurements on my draw machine as fromthe factory once it comesin. We'll get some numbers for draw, poundage, and speed. And then if things need to be...
Forum: Technical
04-28-2007, 12:39 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,571
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Anyone play with the new PSE X-Force yet?

Well, if it shoots well with the lower brace height, and a 60# X-Force will smoke my hunting arrows along 10-20 fps FASTER than my older hunting bow would set at 64-65#, what's not to like? ;) If it...
Forum: Technical
04-27-2007, 08:51 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,571
Posted By Black Frog

Anyone play with the new PSE X-Force yet?

I don't think I've come across anyone who's mentioned it on this forum. Several owners over on A.T. are posting some wicked numbers for this thing.

I got to shoot one in Pittsburgh, and now I'm...
Forum: Technical
04-23-2007, 06:54 AM
Replies: 32
Views: 2,765
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Most Overlooked Aspect of Bow Tuning?

Ah yes, "the charts". Ever notice that those charts generally give you some poundage range, arrow length, andmaybe a cam style? Notice that they don't give you a draw length or power stroke?

...
Forum: Technical
04-11-2007, 01:48 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 1,995
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Shoot through binary w/ no cable guard

Saw your post on A.T. about it-

Usually I'll put 'em close to the cams, but I have used them in other positions when using a Duva to pull my drop away down.

My thinking is that putting the...
Forum: Technical
04-11-2007, 12:08 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 1,995
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Shoot through binary w/ no cable guard

You're right, you don't get ALL the benefits of the Martin (or Barnsdale) X-system. I have both bows (Martin and Barnsdale) and they are VERY nice for easy tinkering.

But, even though you can't...
Forum: Technical
04-11-2007, 11:15 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 1,995
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Shoot through binary w/ no cable guard

That's the problem with trying to do a shoot-through with a single cable- you need some sort of guidance for all the cables otherwise the cables will twist and the the 'shoot-through' portion isn't...
Forum: Technical
04-11-2007, 09:50 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 6,119
Posted By Black Frog

RE: SqueezeKing Bow Press

WWAG- Nice stuff! :)



I don't want to hijack WWAG's thread, so I'll start a new one.
Forum: Technical
04-11-2007, 09:50 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 1,995
Posted By Black Frog

Shoot through binary w/ no cable guard

Darton's new binary cam system already has that ability. They anchor the cable off both sides of the cam with a yolk harness. All you would need to do is lengthen this harness and buy some Merlin...
Forum: Technical
03-26-2007, 01:48 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 494
Posted By Black Frog

RE: Optimum Speed

Considering that stone arrowheads have been around thousands of years, I guess they would qualify as the first "fixed blade" broadhead.

There really isn't a minimum speed for them. Check your...
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