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Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 06:10 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Pete, And one of the worst things is, its...

Pete,

And one of the worst things is, its not linear. It is linear up until you reach the speed of sound. Right above that threshold, wind drift and velocity increase for the next few hundred FPS....
Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 05:44 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

bronko, et tu. OldBob

bronko,

et tu.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 05:41 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

SH54, Perhaps, if Ron's amenable, you should...

SH54,

Perhaps, if Ron's amenable, you should email him for a more detailed explanation. He just said what I have been trying to say, maybe imperfectly.

While your at it, ask him to explain why...
Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 05:31 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Not me!

Pete,

I ain't gonna get on one of those darn things! Motorcycles are bad enough. I'm pretty careful. I just wondered if they were any different in the barn.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 11:46 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Pete, Yeah, I know its lame. Unfortunately,...

Pete,

Yeah, I know its lame. Unfortunately, so am I. They told me maybe 12 years ago I needed an artificial left knee (still waiting), and two years ago they said I needed an artificial right...
Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 11:32 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Katie

Pete,

I can't give carrots, because Katie would want them, too, and she doesn't have teeth. I had to laugh the other day. She loves fig newtons, and that's fine, as long as I'm giving the other...
Forum: Black Powder
12-24-2015, 11:21 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

SH54, I can't beleive you say such things!...

SH54,

I can't beleive you say such things! Perhaps you should get your head INTO some of those books you dislike so much. The gravitational constant for this planet is 32 fps/sec. Your penny and...
Forum: Black Powder
12-23-2015, 11:00 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Pete, Only one dog? Remember, your newest...

Pete,

Only one dog? Remember, your newest best friend is waiting for you at the SPCA.

I don't want to put you on the spot, making you the Mule expert, but I volunteer at a horse rescue. I just...
Forum: Black Powder
12-23-2015, 10:43 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Crunching numbers . . .

CI,

Say you've got a bow that drives the arrow a bit over 300 FPS. Let's make an assumption that the arrow doesn't lose velocity very quickly, and averages 300 FPS over the 100 yard range. So, 300...
Forum: Black Powder
12-23-2015, 10:29 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

SH54, No, as usual my facts are...

SH54,

No, as usual my facts are accurate. Even your PBR at 1800 FPS will have about 1/6 the drop of a 300 FPS arrow. This means over any given distance the arrow will drop 6 times as much,...
Forum: Black Powder
12-23-2015, 10:07 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

I can do something similar.

SH54,

My main crossbow is a Parker Thunderhawk. This was one of my best purchases. Nice fellow at the store set it up, I took it home, and proceeded to shoot through the same hole. I got more...
Forum: Black Powder
12-23-2015, 12:59 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Stupid?

I don't know. I have mentioned the problem I have with 3 deer that hang out on my property. I see them almost every day. They've been as close as 20-25 yards to me when I'm mowing my grass. I've...
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 03:19 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Deer roasts

Sometimes its all about having found a good way to prepare something. Many people just grind up the neck roasts of deer for hamburger. Years ago I found a good way to do them. Take the roast and...
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 12:14 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Pete, Neither are the bears.:poke: ...

Pete,

Neither are the bears.:poke:

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 11:50 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Pete, In our lead classes at work, they told...

Pete,

In our lead classes at work, they told us that one of the most common ways for children to get lead poisoning was by chewing on window sills.

As for asbestos, man has used it for...
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 11:39 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

falcon, That's what is bitterly funny about...

falcon,

That's what is bitterly funny about all this concern about lead. Back in the day of revolvers, they found out that indoor ranges had high levels of lead. So, one solution was to replace...
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 11:26 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Pete, Why wouldn't "they"? You're still...

Pete,

Why wouldn't "they"? You're still throwing lead into the environment. The problem is, there is no element suitable for projectiles that does not carry with it some health hazard if ingested....
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 06:43 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

T7, I read a story in a book where Someone...

T7,

I read a story in a book where Someone told a man to build a big boat, This wasn't so he could save his 50 closest neighbors. Someone had come to despise mankind so much that he was willing to...
Forum: Black Powder
12-22-2015, 06:32 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Oh, really?

falcon,

Yeah, like the NSA lacks the legal grounds to monitor your phone calls, your emails, your forum postings, including this one.

The purpose of executive orders seems to include...
Forum: Black Powder
12-21-2015, 05:58 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

People are talking!

rafsob,

Its good that people are talking, about me, or about anything. Maybe they'll crack the books that some on this forum seem to despise, and read all the things that I have been quoting. I...
Forum: Black Powder
12-21-2015, 05:23 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

horsesense

Pete,

I've never been around mules, but I have been around horses. Here's a tip: the horse will almost always do what you want them to do, but not necessarily when. Sometimes you have to give them...
Forum: Black Powder
12-21-2015, 05:12 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Beautiful

Pete,

Thanks, I do understand. Heaven is where the people aren't.:biggrin: I lived in Denver for 6 months in 1969. One time we helped two old ladies get in some of their winter firewood....
Forum: Black Powder
12-21-2015, 04:48 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Tough pigs!

falcon,

I have never hunted pigs, so my opinion on this might not be useful, but pigs are tough! The only pigs I've known have been pet pigs. This does give you a chance to get up close to them....
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 10:34 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Ergonomics

MD54,

Yes I know how to adapt. I don't adapt to them; I adapt them to me. This is called "ergonomics." I can't think of any polite word for the reverse situation.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 09:16 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Indian Trade Rifle

MD54,

Yeah, to me its very obvious. You buy a rifle with enough space in the trigger guard so that you do not have to remove your gloves to shoot. This was something I checked out when I bought...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 09:04 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Fmj

SH54,

I would no more use a PBR than I would an FMJ on game. Now I know how an FMJ works, with its center of mass behind its center of form. Any deflection turns it into a buzzsaw, so the theory...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 08:20 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

I'm old!

Pete,

You're asking a lot of an old man's memory! Plus, I'm such a slow typist that by the time I get done with a long post, the thing asks me to log in. I've lost lengthy posts this way.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 08:15 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

You think?

MD54,

Check on the rarity of flintlock Hawken rifles. Although, we didn't have an army of trappers with Hawken rifles. Apparently the Leman rifle was a bit more common. I think the Lyman Trade...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 07:55 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Marble Bullseye

Pete,

This sight is a forward mounted peep. I don't think it would be as good as a back-in-your-face regular peep, but its got to be an improvement on any open sight. The thing that I like is that...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 07:50 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Baby!

Pete,

Yeah, I read about Sir Samuel Baker and "Baby", his 4 bore. And about the time it doubled on him.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 06:25 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Which ones do you remember?

Pete,

I remember my bad shots more clearly than my good ones. There haven't been all that many, but it really bites standing there wishing you could wind back the clock and pass on the shot. I...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 06:04 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Oh, deer!

Pete,

I'm sorta just killing time, until I can give my one dog his insulin shot. Which is right about now. They say 12 hours between, + or - 2 hours, but I try to run it as close to 12 as I can....
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:58 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Velocity loss

Pete,

Hence my cow head experiments. The problem with the PRB is its limited range due to the poor ballistics. The same thing that causes the wind drift means the ball slows down quickly. If you...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:45 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Rotational velocity

Pete,

I think the spin is what's hurting roundballs out of quicker-twist rifles, Take your PRB out of a 1-60 at 1800 FPS. Now, if you want to shoot this out of your 1-48 twist rifle, you need to...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:37 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Two different things.

Pete,

The problem is not the terminal ballistics, it is all the environmental factors that can cause your shot to go where you never intended. When that happens, ofttimes the hunter laments, "I...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:29 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

No....

Pete,

It translates well, though. Many CF hunters are using calibers with a military origin. We're many years past the butchering/sporterizing of former warhorses to get an inexpensive deer rifle,...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:23 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Got any supporting documentation?

MD54,

Its true that I'm old, but not old enough to have conversed with the Hawken brothers. Maybe we can ask Pete.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:18 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Newsprint

Pete,

I used to get bundles of newspapers that were going to be recycled. Eventually they were, missing the material from the holes. I shot them dry, because a thoroughly wetted bundle is just a...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 05:12 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

felt wad?

Pete,

Don't know. Someone has to have the components to test this. We're running out of weather, though.

OldBob
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 04:59 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Ah, no

flounder33,

I did not come here to attack roundball shooters. I came here to get the most up-to-date information on muzzleloading as it is today. What I stumbled upon was a discussion of a...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 04:48 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

What tradititional?!

Pete,

The U.S. Army abandoned the roundball over 200 years ago. The fact that they spec'ed the 1803 Harper's Ferry with a 1-49 twist points to the fact that they were thinking "conical". I think...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 04:39 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Honesty compels

SH54,

In the interest of accuracy, I will own up to the fact that I did say, and believe, that the use of a PRB under .62 (or so) is unethical. Supporting that, many years ago I tried a .575 pure...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 04:28 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Maybe

bronko,

I suspect that the two bullets that Ron reported on might stabilize out of a 1-60 twist, given a max load. The Hornady appears to be the shorter of the two, and is certainly cheaper.
...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 04:22 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

.338

Pete,
Its funny that this caliber should be in this conversation. I wanted one of those since they came out in, what was it, 1958? Never got one, and now I never will. But reading Elmer Keith's...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 04:02 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

No drugs

rafsob,

In accordance with my beliefs, I abstain from mind-altering substances. I would not make this a blanket recommendation for everyone, but you might want to consider it. The clarity of mind...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 03:53 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Inappropriate bullets

I can't see any reason not to point out the limitations of the round ball. I certainly agree with you about "bad" bullets for CF rifles. When I was young, every month the gunrags had an article about...
Forum: Black Powder
12-20-2015, 03:38 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

My error

Pete,

This was merely an attempt at courtesy on my part. On the internet, too many people feel they had been given a license to be rude. I did not want to be one of those, so I erred on the side...
Forum: Black Powder
12-19-2015, 05:48 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

No deal

Muley,

Oh, I suspect you don't want to hear from me, so I'll refrain from replying to your posts. I won't send you any emails, or anything like that. But as I said, this is a conversation...
Forum: Black Powder
12-19-2015, 04:46 PM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

You talking to me?

rafsob,

I'll answer this post anyway. Yes, our forefathers harvested, and probably wounded, much game with the PRB. Likewise, the Native Americans with the arms available to them did the same...
Forum: Black Powder
12-19-2015, 10:52 AM
Replies: 321
Views: 28,184
Posted By OldBob47

Yeah, I sure do.

Muley,

Surprised? I didn't think so. Just as one failure with a particular bullet does not mean that all of them are trash, neither does one success validate the use of similar bullets. This was...
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