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fritz1 01-02-2011 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by TreednNC (Post 3751594)
If I had 2k make no mistake, a swarovski would be on it, and if I had that money I'd just have bought a remington 700cdl to go below it lol. Who knows, I may turn into a ruger snob now haha.

I think I may go with the 4x14x50 vx3. Any downside to having the extra power?

You wont be disapointed with that choice, the extra power is really nice also. I have several of those same scopes on some of my rifles and couldnt be more pleased with them. I have them on my Ruger M77 MarkII 280 Rem, my Bushmaster Varmiter Special XM-15, Rem. 700 SPS 338 Ultra Mag., Rem 700 BDL 338 Win mag, Rem. 700 SPS 300 Ultra Mag, and I have a VXIII 6.5-20 Tgt on my Rem Sendero 300 Ultra Mag.. They perform great in low light conditions, great eye relief, get on target quick without looking for the sight picture, very durable, and should you EVER have any problems, Leupold is a pleasure to deal with, they really stand behind there products. I can afford any scope I want but you will only see Leupolds on my guns. Not saying there arent scopes out there that are as good, but if you find something that works why change? IMHO, They are the best, most durable hunting scopes on the market for there price.

jeepkid 01-02-2011 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by TreednNC (Post 3751594)
If I had 2k make no mistake, a swarovski would be on it, and if I had that money I'd just have bought a remington 700cdl to go below it lol. Who knows, I may turn into a ruger snob now haha.

I think I may go with the 4x14x50 vx3. Any downside to having the extra power?

The extra power is nice, I have a 4-16 Nikon Monarch and the 16x is nice to have sometimes.

I picked up a 6.5-20x50 Conquest for $650, so that's pretty close to your price range and is an excellent scope!

gjk5 01-02-2011 02:47 PM

I am not personally a fan of the "new" Leupolds. I have a couple of VariXII's and VariXIII's and do not think the "VX" line is as good as the old ones.

The Conquests are nice glass too and I would choose one over the new Leupolds.

I also like the Monarchs (have a couple as well), cheaper and I think better than the Leupolds (again: the new "VX's").

I have also heard GREAT things about Meopta in both scopes and binoculars.

Have a Vortex Viper 6.5-20X44 on order as I have heard excellent things about them too and have used their binoculars right next to Swaro's in the field and they were close (but not quite) the glass. But they were also under $600.

fritz1 01-02-2011 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by gjk5 (Post 3751657)
I am not personally a fan of the "new" Leupolds. I have a couple of VariXII's and VariXIII's and do not think the "VX" line is as good as the old ones.

The Conquests are nice glass too and I would choose one over the new Leupolds.

I also like the Monarchs (have a couple as well), cheaper and I think better than the Leupolds (again: the new "VX's").

I have also heard GREAT things about Meopta in both scopes and binoculars.

Have a Vortex Viper 6.5-20X44 on order as I have heard excellent things about them too and have used their binoculars right next to Swaro's in the field and they were close (but not quite) the glass. But they were also under $600.

You do know the new VXI is essentialy the same scope as the older VariXII and the new VXII is essentially the same scope as the older VariXIII?, according to Leupold anyway. I believe it to be true too, I have acouple of older VariXII 3-9's and they are identical to the VXI 3-9, that I have on my rem. 597 22L.R., the only difference is my VariXII's are glossy finished and my VXI is silver to match the stainless 22.

gjk5 01-02-2011 04:11 PM

I know what they claim, what I see when I look through them does not bear it out though.

As I said: I feel the new VX line to be inferior to the old VariX line.

As was said already in this thread, much of it is in the eye of the beholder and arguing about glass is like arguing about politics or religion. I was just stating my opinion, much of it is subjective and cannot be "proven". That's why all of the statements in my post say "I feel" and "I think".

TreednNC 01-02-2011 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by jeepkid (Post 3751634)
The extra power is nice, I have a 4-16 Nikon Monarch and the 16x is nice to have sometimes.

I picked up a 6.5-20x50 Conquest for $650, so that's pretty close to your price range and is an excellent scope!


Where did you find that model zeiss for that?

homers brother 01-02-2011 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by fritz1 (Post 3751411)
[I dont know any professional hunters that are sponsered by anyone, yeah their are a few that are on t.v., but the ones that are out there working for a living and dont have a t.v. show are deffinitly not being paid by anyone but there client.

I'm not suggesting that guides in general are sponsored. What do those non-sponsored guides do in their off-seasons, though? Most I know have work elsewhere and take their vacations to guide hunters.

Nice photo, but I'm thinking "What? No bug-killed timber"?! :)

jeepkid 01-02-2011 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by TreednNC (Post 3751749)
Where did you find that model zeiss for that?

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bigbulls 01-02-2011 08:59 PM

Don't get all wrapped up in excessively high magnification at the expense of low end magnification. 10 - 12 power is more than enough magnification for big game hunting out to several hundred yards. I personally wouldn't want to go over 4X magnification on the low end unless it were on a long range specific rifle.

With a 50mm objective lens you are going to get in increasingly darker image when you get above 10X magnification. Just because you can crank it up to 18 or 20 times magnification doesn't mean you are going to be able to see what you are looking at.

Leave the high magnification scopes for the specialized long range and varmint rifles.

TreednNC 01-03-2011 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by bigbulls (Post 3751924)
Don't get all wrapped up in excessively high magnification at the expense of low end magnification. 10 - 12 power is more than enough magnification for big game hunting out to several hundred yards. I personally wouldn't want to go over 4X magnification on the low end unless it were on a long range specific rifle.

With a 50mm objective lens you are going to get in increasingly darker image when you get above 10X magnification. Just because you can crank it up to 18 or 20 times magnification doesn't mean you are going to be able to see what you are looking at.

Leave the high magnification scopes for the specialized long range and varmint rifles.

This is true, and I've thought of that, it happens with any scope. 4.5x14x50....leaves me with a minimum of 4.5, which is generally low enough to shoot within 50 yards and at right at dark,if the need arises, but I doubt I'd carry it if my shooting would consistantly be within 150yards. I've got too many other, closer range, cheaper shooting calibers for that.


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