Lead Ban
 

As of Jan. 1 2008 no more lead core bullets.

In order to expand a solid copper bullet it will take 7mmMAG's, 300mmMag's or above
to take shorter shot's for proper expansion.
Anything else, would be like shooting FMJ's and will go right thru game without expansion.
According to Nosler, the US military is already expirimenting with a Tungsten Nickel alloy bullets.



What's Your Opinion?

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Lead ban?????????

Jan 2008??????????

Where did you get this from?

RE: Lead Ban
 

Straight from NOSLER, Cole.

RE: Lead Ban
 

the lead ban is news to me.....but could be true.....frankly I don't think the solid copper bullets from Barnes are bad at all..... They certainly work very well!!

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I would not be surprised either. Especially on skeet/trap fields and on sporting clays ranges were you are shooting TONS of lead shot, lots of times near water.

I don't think we need to be shooting solid copper at crows & vermin (with high powered rifles) were the bullet would go on forever. That's why (at least one reason) we have frangible bullets right. Is there another element soft as lead?

Why would they ban lead rifle bullets? Shot I can see... but how are ducks gonna find the .300RUM 180gr slug pushed 11" into the earth????

Not doubting anyone; just doesn't make sense to me. I'd like to see some literature on it.

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the only thing close to this that i've heard about is what sweden is doing...

http://www.pistolskytte.org/info/Swe...mmunition.html

RE: Lead Ban
 

Is there a web link to this & if not where can we find more info.

RE: Lead Ban
 

I did a quick search on www.yahoo.com and came up with this information. It doesn't look like it is that far from a reality.



http://www.pistolskytte.org/info/Swe...mmunition.html

SWEDISH PISTOL SHOOTING ASSOCIATION
September 11, 2001


To the producers of handgun ammunition in Europe.

Swedish Government will Ban Lead Ammunition

The Swedish government will ban the use of ammunition with lead bullets, which are commonly used in sport shooting with small arms. The government has in June this year submitted a statute to the European Union for approval.

The issue has nr EU 2001/1208/R at the Swedish Ministry of Environment and nr 2001/305S at the EU Commission.

The ban will be in force from January 1, 2008. Lead bullets may only be used after this date if they are collected in special bullet traps. The government is not willing to grant any exemptions from the ban.

The cost of a single bullet trap is approx. USD 500 – 950 for each target place. It is financially not possible for Swedish shooting clubs to obtain such traps for their shooting ranges. The traps are not suitable for use in field shootings as the targets are placed in different places in the field. Something like 75 per cent of all shooting in the clubs in the Swedish Pistol Shooting Association is field shooting.

The Swedish Pistol Shooting Association has in close co-operation with the company Norma Precision AB, a Swedish producer of handgun ammunition, started development of environmentally ammunition for sport shooting. It is, however, still not known if the project will be successful.

The ban on lead ammunition will be a severe hardship to the Swedish sport shooting. If there will not be lead free ammunition available in the future, almost all sport shooting with handguns will be stopped.

The association has pointed out that the legislation must be harmonised with the rules in the EU. If the ban will only be applicable in Sweden a great part of the sport shooting in Sweden will be terminated and the import of ammunition from suppliers abroad will also be hindered. One way to solve this would be that EC initiate production of lead free ammunition in close co-operation with major ammunition suppliers in Europe.

The Swedish Pistol Shooting Association suggests the all ammunition suppliers in Europe ask the EU to take such an initiative in order to supply lead free ammunition. Until such development is initiated there is no need for a single Swedish government action as the one we now see. The government should therefore recall the ban statute. In any case it must be possible to grant exemptions after January 1, 2008.

The Swedish Pistol Shooting Association appeals to all producers of handgun ammunition in Europe for support in its struggle for equal rules throughout Europe.


Lars-Eric Plantin
General secretary

E-mail address [email protected]

Phone: +46 8 788 99 78
Fax: +46 8 788 99 86


AND ALSO

http://www.gunowners.org/news/nws9504.htm

I am not going to post that entire article, as I couldn't find where it stated Jan 1, 2008 as the other site did.

Also, here is a link that deals with the subject specifically in California

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327600/posts

And another...

http://www.projectgutpile.org/Hog_Hu...al_Report.html

RE: Lead Ban
 

whatever sounds like a load of Cawka cawka, i can believe it for sweden but not in the USA,

RE: Lead Ban
 

Well, I already have about 600 lbs of lead stored up in my garage. All I would need is to buy some copper tubing and a bullet swage.:D

RE: Lead Ban
 

I could imagine a flux in the market. Hurry everybody buy as much lead as you can. Wonder if that's what Nosler is wanting?

I still don't understand why they would ban lead bullets... shot I totally understand...bullets though? What harm does the pistol bullets do?:eek:

RE: Lead Ban
 

Briman,

Theres a plant here in Tampa Fl. that manufactures Auto Batteries and other batteries, "Johnson Products."
They slap on different Labels for different companies.
All employees must have to have a blood Test every six months cause of Lead poisoning.

I had a friend who use to cast hundreds of lead bullets for Sheriff Deputies.
He died at 52 from lead poisoning.

Storing lead in your garage is like having Asbestos Shingles on your house according to the EPA!
There are States who are banding Lead Sinkers for fishing.

I'm not telling you what to do or how to live your life, but I'm sure you don't want to go round and
round with the EPA for storing Lead at home. You aleady mentioned you have 600 pds.

Employees at bullet manufacturing plants are also at risk! They have families Too!

Also the FED's already banned lead shot for water fowl shooting, so don't think they won't ban lead core Ammo!
The US Military is already testing with Tungsten Nickel core bullets.

RE: Lead Ban
 

Rebel Hog- there's a neat thing called ventillation. I use plenty of that when casting. ;)
Lead sitting in buckets in my garage is no more harmful than the wheelweights and battery terminals on the vehicles sitting in your garage.

The most dangerous thing a shooter can do to increase their exposure to lead is to shoot at an indoor range- Lead styphnate from primers is readily absorbed into the bloodstream when inhaled, unlike ingots of lead sitting on a shelf. The next most dangerous thing a shoter can do is eat, drink, or smoke while shooting. Next down the list is to eat, drink, or smoke after shooting without washing one's hands and face first after shooting. Casting lead bullets in adequate ventillation is far down on the list of how to get exposed to dangerous levels of lead.

They did this on the bogus notion that bottom feeding ducks were dieing of lead poisoning, yet I can guarantee that there have been 1000x as many ducks lost and wounded from steel shot than died of lead poisoning. California is working on the same bogus assertion that condors are eating bullets found in lost game and dieing of lead poisoning. They know that banning lead bullets will drive up the price of ammunition astronomically and will discourage people from shooting sports and hunting.


I work in a much more hazardous environment than they do, yet I won't lobby to ban pharmaceutical and chemical manufacturing if I ever get sick, because like the lead workers, I chose to work there. Noone is forcing me to do the job I'm doing, and noone is forcing anyone to work in a battery or bullet plant.

Please save your rediculous rhetoric for people who don't know any better.:eek:

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Typical internet data.......read with caution!!!

RE: Lead Ban
 

Money is good , but life is short! I have made it to a healthy 65 and wish you the same....

RE: Lead Ban
 

actually the military through the tungsten core idea for bullets out the window because it was too expensive and not practical, awhile back there was tungsten core 5.56 ammo sold as surplus... very expensive surplus lol was going for $19 per 20 shots. ouch and the stuff is basically worthless unless you had other ideas or illegal means to use them.

The people that work at plants where they are around lead all day, hey!! they have a choice they dont dont have to work at places like that, yes they have families too, so on the contrary they work at those places to provide for their families........ if lead is banned then those same folks will be out their jobs which would keep them from providing for their families, did you think about it from that aspect??? probably not. I talked to a friend who owns a gun store in town who knows the owner of Bullet meister and also knows the owner of Montana Gold bullets, I asked him about the supposed lead ban he said he knew nothing about it, about an hour later and 2 phone calls later he had talked to both owners of those bullet companies I mentioned. And they too have not heard anything about a lead ban for 2008. I wonder if nosler is just trying something to boost bullet sales or something to that effect like the primer scare in the early ninties, supposedly the feds were gonna regulate primers so they would have to go bad after 2 years of storage. Or maybe rebel hog is a tungsten stock holder and has his own agenda here...... LOL :D:D I think rebel hog just doesnt have his facts straight. Rebel Hog you need to be careful about what you say, you may wind up with a slander suit against ya some day.

RE: Lead Ban
 

I talked to my uncle who worked and retired from the EPA, He said the EPA has been trying to ban lead for a long time now, according to him atleast the past 30 years. He said that they propose a ban every year, and that there is even a ban pending for this year. But there are always stipulations that shoot down the ban proposals ie too much revenue comes from the lead industry and also provides alot of jobs and a ban on lead would hurt the economy to bad for the feds to go for it. My uncle also said a complete lead ban would surprise him, especially by 2008 would really surprise him. He said the only thing that could or maybe reinforce the possibilty of a lead ban in 2008 actually happening would be when Bush's term is up we get a democrat president and a primarily democrat house, that would be about the only way a lead ban could happen, even then that doesnt guarentee anything. After talking to my uncle the idea of lead being banned in 2008 is nothing more then a farse. I really wouldnt worry about it .........

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This is the first I've heard of this. I'd like to hear EXACTLY where Nosler, (or anyone else for that matter), got their information from. I've been reloading and casting bullets for almost 35 years, and have never had any ill effects. Right now I have almost a ton, (75 bags) of shot in my garage along with about 1500 pounds of lead and alloyed ingots for bullet casting. Nobody is getting sick. Lead has been with us for a long time, and I suspect that it will be with us for a lot longer. My guess is this is just more internet BS. Bill T.

RE: Lead Ban
 

yep more internet BS

RE: Lead Ban
 

Somewhere I have a printed version of a detailed study that showed lead shot is a crock. It does no harm. I know one thing-- i've panned for gold a few times and lead shot comes with it. Those would have to be some hellish ducks to root it out. And as heavy as it is, in any water it won't stay on the surface long.

As mentioned the ground is naturally full of lead anyway.

It's all a knee jerk reaction and is BS.

Now, if they have not banned Camp Perry yet I wouldn't worry about Nosler knowing anything. As much lead as Perry puts into Lake Erie........

Though I do not suggest ingesting or eating lead as a hobby.

RE: Lead Ban
 

GO to Green AMMO SOLUTIONS
Click on #5, Then click on LEADLESS AMMUNITION.

Buy the next administrtion, I think it will pass.

Go to US LEAD BAN and see how many States have already
banned lead fishing products and trying to ban lead in electronic products,
home plumbing,toys and anything that contains Lead.
The state leading the way is California and if it passes,
it will start comming East, state by state.
All they have to do is BAN the lead mines.

You think ammunitions companies don't know this?
I see them going to solid copper, like many companies already
have started.

I'm not in thier favor, by no means!
But it is comming sooner or later.
I,m just trying to be open minded about it.
IMHO, I see it comming.

RE: Lead Ban
 

I'm not open minded about anything much. We've used lead since guns were invented. Its still in use in fishing here in TX. Plumbers still use it. Its still used in sign painting. The lead shot thing is a total BS thing done by antihunters.

I won't be openminded about it and I'll da*& do anything I can to stop such stupidity.

I do not consider Kalifornia a part of this nation either. Its full of nuts and fruits and for the folks that live there I feel sorry for them but I'd move out.

OTOH I normally use all copper bullets anyway. But not due to the lead factor.

I'm about sick of this country trying to be run by a bunch of non renewable resource tree/bunny hugging idiots with nothing better to do and an agenda. You sure don't see them out in nature trying to help in reality.

Bottom line to me is caving in to the lead issue is like accepting a stupid assault weapon ban and other very similar issues. When they come for you no one will be left to speak up for you. For history repeats itself again and again.

Ding. Soapbox time expired....

RE: Lead Ban
 

Like who??? I only know of two companies that make a copper bullet, Barnes and lost river ballistics..........



so if they ban lead altogether does this mean all the overseas products we buy here will be banned too? since countries like china and taiwan have different standards and still use lead in almost all of their manufacturing.

might not be a bad trade id almost give up lead bullets, if that would keep that made in frickin china crap out of our retail stores.

RE: Lead Ban
 

You can thank the Liberal bleeding hear Mothers,in the state of confusion were i live started all this lead crap.When there kids got sick eating lead paint off the wall in the projects wre they lived,and getting sick. Thats what started all this lead jazz scare years ago and it progressed to this.Wait till they really get on the band wagon with the fisherman next,more than they are about fishing weights. vangunsmith

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when i was a kid i would bight down on a lead split shot sinker to pinch it on my line, i did that for years even into my teens. it never made me sick. Im tired of the liberals trying to protect us from ourselves, shoot we have to die from something LOL the libs wont be happy untill everyone just sits at home and does nothing what kind of life is that? I puke on liberals

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Yup, me too.

Not to mention the hundreds of millions of people who have LEAD amalgam fillings in their teeth that slowly lech lead into the body.

For the crazies, if they aren't complaining about evil conspiracies about Fluoride in the water killing their children, they are complaining about lead lead bullets some shooter is using at a distant range, all the while they don't even realize that they have 15 lead fillings in their teeth that were rotted because they refused fluoride treatment:D

RE: Lead Ban
 

I still do[8D]