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Tuffm 02-26-2005 01:08 PM

9mm ??
 
9mm Hard Cast Lead Bullets where can I find recipes for cast bullets?

johnch 02-26-2005 01:51 PM

RE: 9mm ??
 
Use jacketed data .
Just keep the loads under 1200 FPS and you should get little or no leading.
Just keep lead loads out of Glock guns

Briman 02-27-2005 06:30 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 
Buy a copy of Lyman's cast bullet handbook.

Generally, lead bullets wil generate more pressure than jacketed bullets with the same loads in a handgun, though I'm not sure why this is, so loads are not interchangeable.

HighDesertWolf 02-27-2005 10:29 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 

Just keep lead loads out of Glock guns
why? I have shot thousands of moly coated lead and hard cast bullets out of my glock 21 and 30.

also i dont see the logic in reloading 9mm when you can buy bulk remanufactured jacketed loads for a few tenths of cent more per shot then what it costs to reload. And wolf ammo you just cant reload for that cheap $4.99 for 50 shots, the cheapest i could reload 9mm with jacketed bullets is 6 dollars per 50.

johnch 02-27-2005 12:24 PM

RE: 9mm ??
 
I read a warning letter ( sent to a local police aromerer form Glock) about lead build up in the barrels and causing problems due to the type of rifleing.
Police dep. tend to shoot the cheapest stuff for practice.
I have also read the same warning in several magazines .
Read this about lead ammo in glocks
I have a model 22

Slamfire 02-27-2005 01:49 PM

RE: 9mm ??
 

ORIGINAL: HighDesertWolf


also i dont see the logic in reloading 9mm when you can buy bulk remanufactured jacketed loads for a few tenths of cent more per shot then what it costs to reload. And wolf ammo you just cant reload for that cheap $4.99 for 50 shots, the cheapest i could reload 9mm with jacketed bullets is 6 dollars per 50.
I can't load for my wife's 9 cheaper'n I can buy Alabama Ammo at the local gun shows. ;)

Gundigest 02-27-2005 04:31 PM

RE: 9mm ??
 
9mm Wolf ammo sells at gun shows for $90 to $110 for 1000 rounds so that is what I buy. I have not had any problems with it in my Ruger P89.

Briman 02-28-2005 06:17 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 
I also gave up reloading 9mm several years ago. Winchester Whitebox value packs sell for $10 per 100 at walmart, and slightly better ammo (in my 9mm at least) Fiocchi sells for about $5-6 per 50. I could cast my own and actually reload it cheaper, but it isn't worth my time for the meager savings that I'd get.

bigcountry 02-28-2005 07:06 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 

why? I have shot thousands of moly coated lead and hard cast bullets out of my glock 21
Cause glock doesn't have normal rifling, and don't follow the same rules as everyone else. Call em and see what they say about it and come back on here and let us know.

Been a few mishaps with cast and glocks. I won't load cast in mine either.

Rootsy 02-28-2005 09:25 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 
with lead bullets you'll achieve a higher than published velocity vs a jacketed bullet because of a lower coefficient of friction for the lead against the barrel.. basically the lead bullet is easier to engrave into the rifling and easier to move down the barrel...

HighDesertWolf 03-02-2005 02:09 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 

Cause glock doesn't have normal rifling, and don't follow the same rules as everyone else. Call em and see what they say about it and come back on here and let us know.

Been a few mishaps with cast and glocks. I won't load cast in mine either.

I do run a bronze brush with some solvent then a dry patch then a lightly oiled patch between every 100 shots or so, but i also do that with all my guns I shoot cast lead through, just as a precaution for lead build up. Havent had any problems yet.

Briman 03-02-2005 02:26 AM

RE: 9mm ??
 
Just a guess, but I think most of the lead bullet/Glock Kabooms come from people shooting lead bullets through the barrels followed by jacketed bullets without removing all of hte lead first.

driftrider 03-09-2005 09:42 PM

RE: 9mm ??
 
To my understanding, the reason lead bullets shouldn't be shot in Glocks (or most H&K pistols for that matter), is because of the polygonal rifling. If you look down the bore of a Glock you'll notice an absense of traditional lands and grooves, and instead see that the bore, if cross-sectioned, would look like a hexagon (for .40cal and smaller) or an octagon (for the .45cal). The problem with the rifling is that lead is MUCH softer than copper jacketed bullets, and the polygonal rifling doesn't grip the lead as positively as standard rifling, so the bullet can essentially "skip" across the rifling briefly before the rifling grabs it enough to make it spin. This can cause a great deal of sheared off lead to build up right at the throat, which as most know is the worst possible place for lead (or anything else for that matter) to build up, essentially creating a partial bore obstruction. Eventually, if allowed to build up enough, or if jacketed bullets (which won't 'give' under pressure like lead will) are fired after the lead bullets, dangerous pressure spikes can occur. This combined with the partially unsupported section of the case due to the generously sloped feed ramp common to Glocks, makes a badly rupture case and blown up gun (the infamous "Ka'Boom") even more likely.

This is why Glock, and the common wisdom of the Glock shooting community, cautions against the use of lead bullets in Glock handguns with stock polygonally rifled barrels. If you do want to shoot lead in a Glock, it is wise to buy an aftermarket drop-in replacement barrel with conventional land-n-groove rifling.

Mike


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