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jrbsr 01-26-2005 09:32 PM
Aluminum bullet cassings
 
What do toy think about bullets that are in aluminum instead of brass ?

I was told that they can't be reloaded.

Is this true or can you reload them?

Thank You?

handloader1 01-26-2005 10:27 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
I think you are talking about Blazer Ammo (cases); I don't think they are reloadble. Good luck.

halcon 01-27-2005 03:05 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
They have Berdan primers and wouldn't be worth the effort if you refer to blazer ammo .

ktscontender 01-27-2005 04:54 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
When I see them in the trash can at the range they don't bother me a bit.

When I see them up in the hills scattered around with the empty boxes and shot up targets/debris they kinda piss me off.

bigcountry 01-27-2005 06:04 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Toss em.

Brush hunter 01-27-2005 06:57 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
I agree with Ktscontender, pick up your trash, more and more land is being closed becouse of trash. The aluminum cases can be recycled. I'm not a treehugger but everything has it's place, and the woods is not the place for trash. Damn trash winds me up!

Briman 01-27-2005 07:10 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Anything can be reloaded, but being that they are aluminum cases, they probably aren't as strong as brass, and might not be safe to reload.

NE Hunter 01-27-2005 08:28 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Seems to me Blazer ammo says right on the box non reloadable.

bigcountry 01-27-2005 11:03 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
How in the world did an issue of reloading aluminum cases turn into a trash and polution discussion?

Briman 01-27-2005 02:12 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
How in the world did an issue of reloading aluminum cases turn into a trash and polution discussion?
Come on BC, get with the program, hold hands and sing "We are the World" and repent for fouling our precious Mother Earth with lead bullets and nonreloadable casings:D

Charley 01-27-2005 02:21 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
CCI's Blazer line of ammunition is designed to be non-reloadable. It is generally cheaper than brass cased ammo, because the aluminum case is cheaper in terms of material cost, and is cheaper to form.
The cases are Berdan primed, with a non-standard size of primer, to keep adventerous souls from trying to reload it. Other problems relating to reloading the cases are the anvil under the primer is soft aluminum, so it gets squished down during firing. Even if you get the primer out, and find a Berdan primer that will fit, the anvil likely will not project enough to allow the primer cup to make solid contact. Aluminum doesn't have near the memory of brass alloy, and it won't size very well...usually not enough to hold a bullet properly. I hate to find the stuff at a public range, because it makes it that much harder to pick up your own brass.

Tuffm 01-27-2005 04:10 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Never used them never will

jrbsr 01-27-2005 08:47 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Thanks for your imput.

I was just courious.

I wouldn't try to reload them any way.

So Thank You

BDHUNTR 01-28-2005 06:23 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
ORIGINAL: Briman

Anything can be reloaded, but being that they are aluminum cases, they probably aren't as strong as brass, and might not be safe to reload.
Strength is not really an issue, per se. Brass is a unique metal. Under pressure, such as occurs when a cartridge is fired, the brass case expands, mating with the walls of the chamber. However, in milliseconds it springs back to (almost) it's original size, which allows easy extraction of fired cases. This property also allows the fired case to be resized and loaded again, sometimes ten times or more, depending on the power of the load, the style of case, tightness of chamber, etc.

Aluminum does not exhibit this property, nor does steel. That is why aluminum and steel cases are one-time use only.

Brian

Rebel Hog 02-26-2005 01:26 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
ORIGINAL: jrbsr

What do toy think about bullets that are in aluminum instead of brass ?

I was told that they can't be reloaded.

Is this true or can you reload them?

Thank You?

Jr, I have also been told, NO!

HA-HA...Do I hear a REB....or what?....Ride on CUZ and don't look back!!!

KEEP ON ROOTING!!!!

johnch 02-26-2005 07:31 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
If you see lots of the cases like I do ,save them.
I just took 150 lb of blaser cases to the scrap yard .
$ .51 a lb
Our club holds shoots and I clean up
I sell the brass cases also ,2 55 gal barrels to next week ( mostly 22 cases) ,I recovered in 4 mounths.

HighDesertWolf 02-27-2005 10:32 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
the case heads are stamped NR which means non reloadable. technically you can reload them if you know how to but i wouldnt recommend it.

HighDesertWolf 02-27-2005 10:39 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
CCI's Blazer line of ammunition is designed to be non-reloadable. It is generally cheaper than brass cased ammo, because the aluminum case is cheaper in terms of material cost, and is cheaper to form.
The cases are Berdan primed, with a non-standard size of primer, to keep adventerous souls from trying to reload it. Other problems relating to reloading the cases are the anvil under the primer is soft aluminum, so it gets squished down during firing. Even if you get the primer out, and find a Berdan primer that will fit, the anvil likely will not project enough to allow the primer cup to make solid contact. Aluminum doesn't have near the memory of brass alloy, and it won't size very well...usually not enough to hold a bullet properly. I hate to find the stuff at a public range, because it makes it that much harder to pick up your own brass.
your first sentence i agree with but the rest of your babbling I beg to differ.......... I have sucessfully reloaded 38 specials with these blazer cases I dont make a habit of it but just wanted to see if could be done. the 38 special primers were standard sized small pistol primers and the cases were also boxer primed not berdan primed, where i did run into problems was resizing and the cases split upon firing. so i wouldnt recommend reloading this stuff but it can be done.

Brush hunter 02-27-2005 12:39 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
I read somewhere CCI has started loading Blazer ammo in brass.

HighDesertWolf 03-02-2005 02:02 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
I read somewhere CCI has started loading Blazer ammo in brass.
I picked up a box of blazer 45 acp today, WOW brass cases I was surprised.

Briman 03-02-2005 02:29 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Does it cost more? Are the brass Blazers more reloadable than the aluminum cases?

HighDesertWolf 03-03-2005 02:12 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
shot those brass cased blazer 45 acp's today, guess what.... They are centerfire and totally reloadable. they are in my next batch of brass to be tumbled I will soon find out how they do as reloaded ammo. My guess would be the CCI brass cases are speer cases with a CCI headstamp.

They were very clean burning and were also very inexpensive, asfar as factory pistol ammo goes im gonna continue to buy these.

Charley 03-04-2005 06:05 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
your first sentence i agree with but the rest of your babbling I beg to differ.......... I have sucessfully reloaded 38 specials with these blazer cases I dont make a habit of it but just wanted to see if could be done. the 38 special primers were standard sized small pistol primers and the cases were also boxer primed not berdan primed, where i did run into problems was resizing and the cases split upon firing. so i wouldnt recommend reloading this stuff but it can be done.
Babbling, huh? I tore one down last night. I'll post my pictures of the process showing the Berdan priming, and the intregel anvil. CCI has made changes over the years, but when they first entered the market, they did have a non-standard primer. Current .45 ACP cases do have .210 primers. Don't know about .38 specials. I don't buy aluminum cased Blazers, I've got 5000 .45 ACP cases in brass. I did have some Blazers I took in trade. Why bother with something that will give poor results?

HighDesertWolf 03-04-2005 06:54 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
LOL :D:D I think i struck a nerve, sorry I didnt mean to

Briman 03-04-2005 07:22 AM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
Charley- they can make the cases as idiot proof as possible, but we all know that the world will soon enough come up with a bigger idiot to defeat it.:D

The anvil built into the casings probably could be peened back out with a punch and some patience.
If the Blazer primer is larger than a standard berdan, one could carefully patch an undersized primer with paper or perhaps strips cut from a beer can. If the primer they use is smaller than the standard berdan, one could drill out the primer pockets to make the new primers fit.

If I could borrow someone else's gun to try the loads out in, I'm betting that I could make some reloads that will fire. ;)

Fortunately, this idiot doesn't have enough time on his hands to screw around with something like that when I have a bucket of real brass to work with[:-]

Charley 03-04-2005 01:16 PM
RE: Aluminum bullet cassings
 
LOL I think i struck a nerve, sorry I didnt mean to
I hear enough about babbling from my wife! Don't need any extra! LOL


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