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BigtimerNC 03-23-2016 01:18 PM

I messed up guys
 
As the title says, I screwed up and don't know what I did wrong. I loaded fifteen 30-06 rounds for my uncle. The brass came from his son in law and they are all once fired.

I loaded up fifteen 270 rounds for myself. All of the rounds had different powder charges as my reloading manual says to. All of my uncles rounds did fine and we found an acceptable recipe. None of my 270 rounds would chamber in my .270.

What the he//!!!!!! All of my .270 rounds had bouldges in the neck area of the cartridges. Please, what did I do wrong. I can't get a decent photo of my bullets.

super_hunt54 03-23-2016 01:32 PM

Sounds like the bullet wasn't aligned straight for seating. Pull the bullets, empty the powder, CAREFULLY de-prime the case and neck size the cases again. You MAY need to anneal the case necks to assure proper sizing. After you have done all this, make sure your bullets are straight and that your case is properly seated in the holder before you ram the bullet seater.

As far as the cases for your .270 not chambering, are they once fired from your rifle and you neck sized or were they from someone else and you neck sized? If they were from someone else's rifle, you will need to full length size and then fireform to YOUR chamber dimensions before you can neck size. Especially if you have a really tight chamber.

BigtimerNC 03-23-2016 01:59 PM

My brass came from a range where the employees gather the brass and sell them for $20 for 50pcs. There is no telling how many times that have been shot and reloaded.

Ridge Runner 03-23-2016 02:29 PM

your seating die is overcrimping, back the seater die off and use the seater plug to get the COL, your brass are longer than when you loaded the last ammo, I'd trim them. unless its a semi you do not need to crimp them.
RR

super_hunt54 03-23-2016 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by BigtimerNC (Post 4251885)
My brass came from a range where the employees gather the brass and sell them for $20 for 50pcs. There is no telling how many times that have been shot and reloaded.

I never use range brass. As you said, there's absolutely no telling how many times it's been fired. And considering you can get brand new Winchester brass for under $30 for 50 pieces then the "deal" you are getting really isn't a good deal at all.


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner (Post 4251893)
your seating die is overcrimping, back the seater die off and use the seater plug to get the COL, your brass are longer than when you loaded the last ammo, I'd trim them. unless its a semi you do not need to crimp them.
RR

Didn't think about the over crimp. Good point pick RR.

Ridge Runner 03-23-2016 06:13 PM

ain't my first rodeo, when it comes to stuffin bullets and powder in cases, I've screwed up enough to immediately make the call.
RR

alleyyooper 03-24-2016 02:36 AM

I need to bring this up at our next meeting. we sell our range picked brass for a nickel a case. Any thing that doesn't sell goes to the scraper for what ever the going rate for brass is.

Just pull the decapping pin out of the die if you think it needs resizing.
No need to set your self up for a accident trying to remove LIVE primers.

:D Al

Mr. Slim 03-24-2016 07:34 AM

as for the cases being too long, you need a set of calipers to measure the cases before you load them. your manual should give you the trim length. as one of the other guys said. pull the bullets and dump the powder and measure the case length. if they are over the max length then trim them back to trim length. as far as the crimping or dents on the cases you need to reset the dies. just follow the instructions that came with your dies. did you clean the dies before using them? if they are new dies there could be some grease inside the dies. for the full length die remove the decapping pin and use the tip end of a cleaning rod and the slotted tip and a patch dipped in hopes #9 and run it up inside the die to remove any oil or grease from inside the die. also look for a small hole located near the top of the threads . use a paperclip or needle to clean this hole out. its important that this hole is kept open.

muzzlestuffer 03-24-2016 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by BigtimerNC (Post 4251885)
My brass came from a range where the employees gather the brass and sell them for $20 for 50pcs. There is no telling how many times that have been shot and reloaded.

o would never use range brass unless I new for a fact by knowing the guy shot it for the first time and even then I don't really bother. Just buy your own brass and fire form it for your own rifle don't swap it or share brass between rifles if you can help it or if you do you have to full length resize it which stresses your brass.I'm not sure what you meant by bulging the case I hope it's not a powder over charge situation? I would also recommend you do some more reading up on reloading. Let us know what you come up with ?
Muzzlestuffer

BigtimerNC 03-24-2016 01:21 PM

OK guy, these were the first rifle rounds that I had ever loaded. I have some new brass that I am going to try when I learn the right way to reloaded. So far all I have done is piss away needed money and embarrass myself. By the way, I measured each and every casing before and after reloading.

Topgun 3006 03-24-2016 01:25 PM

I would never use brass that I had no knowledge of and I agree with RR that he probably just needs to back off his seating die a little bit. I guess I also should not assume that he's measuring his cases, since examination of every case and checking for length, especially on picked up brass, is just common sense and one of a number of critical things to do on the reloading bench. Those guys are also making a bundle of money if they're charging what he mentioned for 50 pieces of range brass.

muzzlestuffer 03-24-2016 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by BigtimerNC (Post 4252012)
OK guy, these were the first rifle rounds that I had ever loaded. I have some new brass that I am going to try when I learn the right way to reloaded. So far all I have done is piss away needed money and embarrass myself.

your ok don't worry just take your time and get it right or you could blow yourself up ! read read read and ask questions we'll help you. too bad one of us just can't come over and show you ! if you could provide pics that would be a big help too !

muzzlestuffer 03-24-2016 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Slim (Post 4251969)
as for the cases being too long, you need a set of calipers to measure the cases before you load them. your manual should give you the trim length. as one of the other guys said. pull the bullets and dump the powder and measure the case length. if they are over the max length then trim them back to trim length. as far as the crimping or dents on the cases you need to reset the dies. just follow the instructions that came with your dies.

fyi i don't think he has a case trimmer he just started reloading so if that's the case i would suggest buying some brass that's ready to load for now that way he can fire form it to his gun.

Ridge Runner 03-24-2016 01:45 PM

To the OP, use them calipers every fireing, if you have no other way, keep them close to "trim to" length with a champhering tool, if a case is long and the end is against the end of your chamber when ya cam the bolt down, it can cause serious pressure spikes.
run a resized case into your seater die all the way, screw the seater plug all the way up, screw the die down till it comes in contact with the neck of the case, back it off 1/4 turn, you do not need to crimp a bolt action low recoiling rifle like the 270, I do not even crimp my big 7 mags.
RR

bronko22000 03-24-2016 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by alleyyooper (Post 4251941)
I need to bring this up at our next meeting. we sell our range picked brass for a nickel a case. Any thing that doesn't sell goes to the scraper for what ever the going rate for brass is.

Just pull the decapping pin out of the die if you think it needs resizing.
No need to set your self up for a accident trying to remove LIVE primers.

:D Al

I think RidgeRunner hit the nail on the head. If your case necks are buldged you have your seating die down too far.
Put a resized case into the press with the seating die backed out (and the bullet seating adjustment screw).
Run the case to the top of the ram setting then screw the die down until it touches the case mouth. Lower the ram and feed a bullet into the mouth of the case. Lower the bullet depth adjustment screw (NOT THE DIE) down a little at a time until you reach the seating depth you want.
Once your desired depth is reached and you want to crimp the case, lower the ram and back out the seating screw a little, then lower the seating die down 1/8 turn and run the case back up. If your case is crimped to your satisfaction run the cartridge back into the die, turn the seating screw down to the bullet and lock everything in place and you should be good.
You have my number. give me a call if you're having a problem understanding it. If you lost it pm me

Mr. Slim 03-24-2016 03:49 PM

you did the right thing by asking. don't get down on yourself. another thing I thought of is the depth the bullets were seated at. if the bullets are too high the bullet could be hitting the lands and grooves and not letting the bolt close. hope any of this info helps. everyone here are always glad to help. good luck.

bronko22000 03-24-2016 05:06 PM

BT I sent you a PM

alleyyooper 03-24-2016 06:14 PM

Get one of these to measure your empty brass quickly.



:D Al

muzzlestuffer 03-24-2016 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by alleyyooper (Post 4252040)
Get one of these to measure your empty brass quickly.



:D Al

Get a case guage that will tell you if your cases are sized correctly and over all case length it's a great measuring tool especially for a starting reloader.

BigtimerNC 03-25-2016 03:09 AM

Where can I get this gauge?

alleyyooper 03-25-2016 03:27 AM

A good reloading store.

Sportsman warehouse sells this Lyman model.



http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...2476/cat100166

Cheaper here.

http://ammoreloadsupplies.com/lyman-e-zee-case-gauge/



:D Al

bronko22000 03-25-2016 06:03 AM

You might be better served getting a dial caliper. The gauge above only measures case length. A caliper will also let you be able to set your overall cartridge length (COL).
If you didn't get a case trimmer yet the RCBS Trim Pro is a good choice.

muzzlestuffer 03-25-2016 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by BigtimerNC (Post 4252067)
Where can I get this gauge?

Midway or brownells

alleyyooper 03-26-2016 03:45 AM

While calipers are good for AOL the above gauge is a whole bunch faster to sort cases into trim and not trim lots.

:D Al

bronko22000 03-26-2016 05:45 AM

That may be true AO. But I prefer to have my cases all trimmed to the same length. Usually about .010" under max.

BigtimerNC 03-28-2016 09:17 PM

The gentleman that help me get set up had me purchase the Lee Length gauge and the cutter that goes into my cordless drill or would the RCBS Trim Pro be a better choice for me?

muzzlestuffer 03-29-2016 04:26 AM

Rcbs trim pro


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