WOW! Oh my my!!!!
 

The fellow who lives next door stops over and talks to me when i'm in my loading room. After hunting season he says he would like to have a bunch of 25-06 cases loaded? I told him if he gets the dies and supplies i'll show him how to do it with my press and tools. I got him what he needed. I ask when he wants to get started? He says his friend,whom owns a big farm[posted ground] will load them for him?
I said fine,has he been loading long? No,he just started,he says. Well,i'll come out and give him some pointers,i offered.
He doesn't need any help,he's a very smart guy,he says!! OK by me. I guess he knows whats up?
I copied the Speer loading data for him for 120 grain 25-06 on my copy machine. It had the powders and COL printed right there????
The guy loaded his shells and fired a few. He says to this guy"They shoot very well,a little tight fitting,but accurate".
Come spring here he comes over with his gun? "My bolt is hard to close" he says. He brought a few shells his friend had loaded. I tried to get ths bolt shut on one or two of them and it was pretty tuff!!!
The COL,i checked them,was way to long and pushing the bullet into the rifleing!!! I told him to get them set back by his buddy.
His bolt screeches when it closes,now????????
Now,for the "WOW,OH MY MY!" Some how,his buddy,weighted the powder charges,in the brass on a digital scale?????????
I have not met this fellow,but from some of the stuff he tells me he says and does,is an arogant person,a no it all.
I am haveing second thoughts on going to the range with my guy next door!!!!!!!!!

Someone is going to get their face blown off.

Wow! Oh my my! Is right!

Yep, you don't want to be there when the shrapnel starts flying.

I'm an arrogant person (anybody surprised) - if he's weighing charges the way you described, and loading COAL's without referencing the book or the rifle itself, that's not just an arrogant person, that's an IGNORANT person!

Gonna be calling your neighbor "Patch" or "Stubby" sooner or later, or worse, calling his wife "widow"...

I would advise your friend NOT to fire any more of that ammo if he values his life. tell him you're not being sarcastic, just stating a fact. His rifle is absorbing far more pressure than it should be and is going to break loose sooner or later.

That's crazy and is going to get someone hurt or worse. I hope he talks to the guy loading these for him

I wouldn't get close to either one of them if they had a gun in their hands!

Just a random thought - when the non-reloading neighbor said "the guy weighed the powder in the brass on a digital scale," could he have been mis-repeating what the guy that loaded for him had said?

Because, technically, I do weigh every charge that I throw "in the brass, on the digital scale." BUT - the important distinction is that I only do so after the round is loaded as a double check - I use a digital powder dispenser to throw the charges, followed by a check of every charge on a balance beam. I weight sort my bullets, and my brass too. The last step before my rounds go in the box is to run them all across the digital scale one last time to make sure I don't have any double throws.

So... If the guy told him, "I double check for double powder charges by weighing the loaded rounds when I"m done" or said "I double check my charge weights before I seat bullets by weighing the powder-charged brass," - either of which would be a reasonable reloading practice and safety measure... BUT, the non-reloading neighbor, not knowing the proper steps and not understanding what he really said, might have misunderstood him and thought he said "he weighed the powder in the brass on a digital scale."

Or... What if the guy is using a Lee turret press with Pro-disc powder auto-charger that throws the charge automatically, then takes each round out of the press and double checks the weight "in the brass, on a digital scale"? Perfectly reasonable reloading practice to do so, I've even done so myself. If a guy zeroes the scale on the brass, puts it in the press and charges, then reweighs it on the scale, it might slow him down a little, but that'd be a very reasonable reloading practice for safety - greater safety than for which the Turret Press with Auto-charger was designed.

There are lots of stupid folks out there, but I'm having a tough time understanding how a guy could throw charges into a case as he was weighing them out. What do you do when you go 0.1grn over? Throw out the whole charge and start over? It doesn't make sense how you would physically even do that, but any of the scenarios I described above COULD make sense, and might translate to the non-reloading neighbor as something different.

Hard closing bolts can be a factor of rifling jam or of insufficient shoulder bump-back. That's no excuse for not matching ammo to chamber, but if he's reloading to a book COAL and not bumping far enough back because he doesn't own the physical rifle, and the neighbor's rifle's chamber is relatively short, it's pretty easy for new reloaders to make that mistake.

Still not a great idea, but I just can't figure out how in the he11 someone would dispense into brass on a digital scale, so I'm really hoping the neighbor's description isn't accurate.

I've wanted to meet this guy but my neighbor seems like he doesn't want me to tell the guy he isn't doing things right!!!!!!
I hope nothing happens to them.

The neighbour is an idiot, and his buddy is mentally retarded if he isn't willing to accept help from someone who has been loading for years. I wouldn't want to be sitting at the next bench at the range when these concoctions are detonated.

Mr. RedGreen, please be less wiling to use the term "Retarded" around on public forums. Some people may find this less than distasteful. I for one. My grandson who just turned 4 is mentally challenged due to being born 10 weeks premature. He spent 3-1/2months in Childrens Hospital NIC unit. My wife is a nurse there and saw him everyday. He has a hearing and speech impairment that we are aware of now. He was also born with a hole in his heart and severly underdeveloped lungs. He passed away 2 times before he was 1 month old.
On a less serious note, I agree that I would not be willing to sit amongst someone shooting handgrenades such as these. BUT!! If you did not know his or his buddies loading prowess, you would not know. Both of them truly need to be told and shown the proper way regardless of hurt feelings or not. Beats saying something at the funeral.

Second chance, while I have empathy for your family and your grandson's medical problems, I also have a problem with your request because it affects all of us who post here. I will probably have others disagree with my position, but it is what it is. I am really sick and tired of the word police in our society, don't say this or that because this group or that group may be offended. We have words in our language that mean things and people use those words while expressing themselves. Mental retardation sometimes now refered to as mentally challenged is a real condition, we can't make it go away by not using descriptive words. I see no problem unless the words are being used directly towards or against a person with the condition. Those words were not used against your family member, they were used as a decription of someone who is doing something extremely stupid. Something happens every day that offends me, so what? The expection that people should walk around on egg shells because what they say or do may be offensive to someone is unrealistic. The 1st amendment was included in the counstitution in order for people to be able to say things that are offensive to others. I am sure Red Green doesn't need me to run to his defense, that is not what my post was, you just happened to hit a sore spot.

Words have meanings so it is up to us to use them correctly. Which do you think applies?

Ignorant
lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
"they were ignorant of astronomy"
synonyms: without knowledge of, unaware of, unconscious of, oblivious to, incognizant of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about, unconversant with, inexperienced in/with, naive about, green about; More

Retarded
less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.

I don't need an English lesson, I am pretty adept at the use of our language and the meaning of words in the context they are being used in and this thread has nothing to do with the correct use of a word! My point is I am sick and tired of the word police and the namby pamby attitude of don't say that because someone will be offended. We are becoming a nation of wimps and and afraid of our own shadow for fear someone may be offended because of the word police and accusations of being a hater. As Clark Gable said in Gone with the Wind," frankly my dear I don't give a ", you know the rest!

Amen Oldtimr, Amen!!! ...Deleted by CalHunter...

Then as they say over on the 24hrcampfire.

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We're not on 24 Hr. Campfire and your use of those letters back at me to use dirty language is a direct violation of site rule #1 here and has been reported to Administration! Busted Again!!!

Why not help your neighbor out and pull a couple bullets for him and weigh the charge on your scale? Sounds to me he is just jammed into the rifling...

Or maybe show him a picture of this guy that wouldn't listen to anyone regarding proper reloading practices. He was lucky it was only his hand when the rifle blew up!

Double Amen, Oldtimr!

My thoughts exactly. And not that it is your responsibility but you could offer to buy the bullets from your neighbor in cash or a couple of cold ones. Do you know what type of powder was used? Obviously you will need to know that as well.

Good luck! I hope no one gets hurt.