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burniegoeasily 12-18-2013 08:49 AM

H 110 and forcing cone erosion.
 
I have been using H 110 for most of my mag loads, 44 mag revolvers mostly. I have not had an issue with it. I have a friend who is seeing some force cone erosion and he believes it is the H 110 powder. He is shooting jacketed rounds, but light ones. I load heavy rounds and told him I believe it gives the powder a little more time to burn. What are your thoughts.

Ridge Runner 12-18-2013 11:55 AM

the first sign in a revolver of using heavyloads is flame cutting of thebackstrap, accompanied by mild forcing cone erosion, he better check that.
RR

burniegoeasily 12-19-2013 07:50 AM

I looked over his pistol, there is no flame cutting, just a rough force cone. The back strap above the cone is clean as can be. Not much, I can clean it up by reaming it to 8 degrees, most likely.

Bullcamp82834 12-19-2013 10:10 AM

Light bullets with heavy powder charges accelerate forcing cone erosion. I can't explain exactly why but I learned all about it loading for a 357 mag many years ago.
I stick with heavy bullets in magnums. It works and that's good enough.

Big Uncle 12-19-2013 11:09 AM

I burn 296 (H 110) in my heavy loads and have never had any kind of problem with it. My bullets weigh 240 - 300 grains for the heavy loads and are all jacketed. This has been my favorite heavy load powder for many years.

burniegoeasily 12-20-2013 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Bullcamp82834 (Post 4109108)
Light bullets with heavy powder charges accelerate forcing cone erosion. I can't explain exactly why but I learned all about it loading for a 357 mag many years ago.
I stick with heavy bullets in magnums. It works and that's good enough.

I believe a lighter bullet will leave the chamber faster allowing the unburnt powder to escape and burn as it is passing the force cone. Where as a heavier will move a little slower and allow most of the powder to burn in the cartridge. Just my 2cents.

Bullcamp82834 12-20-2013 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by burniegoeasily (Post 4109446)
I believe a lighter bullet will leave the chamber faster allowing the unburnt powder to escape and burn as it is passing the force cone. Where as a heavier will move a little slower and allow most of the powder to burn in the cartridge. Just my 2cents.

Makes sense.

I never really saw the benefit of light bullets in magnums anyway.

SecondChance 12-21-2013 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bullcamp82834 (Post 4109463)
Makes sense.

I never really saw the benefit of light bullets in magnums anyway.

Faster, flatter trajectory, and cheaper. Makes a great 'yote stomper for when the pelts are not being kept.

SecondChance 01-12-2014 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by hookeye (Post 4115340)
BTW, I too think "flame cutting" to have an impingement component.
Using light bullets one needs a healthy crimp, to develop higher back pressure for more efficient burn.

It still lacks efficiency compared to other powder/bullet weight combos.........but that doesn't mean performance isn't gained.

One needs for judge if the pluses are worth the minuses. Everything has a trade off.

I love 180's on max+ charges of WW296. They are fun to shoot too, as long as the bbl length is shorter. Longer it does seem to have more blast.

Kinda like being slapped in the face with a cookie sheet.

To keep the sinuses from being battered one could go with 200grainers. But when shooting deer both the 180 and 200's just zip through (broadsiders).

Hey Hookeye, I have to agree with the lighter bullets, when setting off loads of 2400, H110/296, out of short barrel 44's is a rather face slapping experience!!!!! Pretty neat at night though!!!!!! My lone eagle with its 14" barrel isn't so sensitive to those dealings, just was not happy with the results of the lighter bullet at the higher velocity. Cylinder flash is almost as much as muzzle flash!!!!! Kinda looks like my 460.


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