Extruded or Ball Powder?
#1

Which do you prefer?
I no longer reload but when I did (for many years) I found that the extruded powders were easier to develop a load but would not drop consistent amounts from my (benchrest) powder measure. I always had to hand measure them. The powder measure(s) I had would always drop perfect amounts of ball powder.
Then (after having some sooty looking barrels after only a few shots) I read that with ball powders you had to get the pressures up for it to completely burn. This I found was true. The higher the pressure, the cleaner the barrel. I watched the pressure by looking at the case for signs (flattened primers etc).
When I got a good load with the ball powder I really couldn't beat it with any of the extruded.
Any of you have similar experiences?
I no longer reload but when I did (for many years) I found that the extruded powders were easier to develop a load but would not drop consistent amounts from my (benchrest) powder measure. I always had to hand measure them. The powder measure(s) I had would always drop perfect amounts of ball powder.
Then (after having some sooty looking barrels after only a few shots) I read that with ball powders you had to get the pressures up for it to completely burn. This I found was true. The higher the pressure, the cleaner the barrel. I watched the pressure by looking at the case for signs (flattened primers etc).
When I got a good load with the ball powder I really couldn't beat it with any of the extruded.
Any of you have similar experiences?
#2
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Maryland
Posts: 332

Yea, about the same. Ball likes hot ignition and to burn hot. Not a rule, but generally.
I use both. I like BL-C2, which is ball. I like H380 also.
But for the most part for rifle, I mostly have extruded.
Mostly for pistol, I use sphereical. If for nothing else, for consistent powder drops from my progressive presses.
I use both. I like BL-C2, which is ball. I like H380 also.
But for the most part for rifle, I mostly have extruded.
Mostly for pistol, I use sphereical. If for nothing else, for consistent powder drops from my progressive presses.
#3
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Maryland
Posts: 332

ok, ball powder is double based, extruded is single base, the addition of nitroglycerine in ball powders makes it tempatuure sensative more so than single base powders.
But ball powder has a lower flame temp than extruded and the shape and size of the granules are less abrasive to the throat, so in my large capacity cases I use ball powder and work around the temp sensativity. I'll take barrel life over being less temperamental. so in the big stuff its ball powders, single base in the others.
RR
But ball powder has a lower flame temp than extruded and the shape and size of the granules are less abrasive to the throat, so in my large capacity cases I use ball powder and work around the temp sensativity. I'll take barrel life over being less temperamental. so in the big stuff its ball powders, single base in the others.
RR
#6

I ended up using alot of Winchester 760 because they didn't have 780 yet back then. The Hodgdon H414 and H380 stuff was okay but I still liked the 760 best.
Reloader 19 and 22 are great powders. My best .30-06 loads were using 19.
Reloader 19 and 22 are great powders. My best .30-06 loads were using 19.
Last edited by warbirdlover; 04-26-2011 at 08:18 PM.
#7
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Maryland
Posts: 332

man retumbo serves me well in med. capacity cartridges (the 6.5 gibbs), but H-1000 is my go in my STW.
H870 was imported [mil-surp] (I think) US869 is as close as hodgdon could get to reproducing it. so if you didn't like H870, I'm afraid US869 won't help ya much. ever give ramshot a go? its double base, but looks extruded, but heard good things about it, but I heard alot of praise for re-22 also and its not ll that.
RR
H870 was imported [mil-surp] (I think) US869 is as close as hodgdon could get to reproducing it. so if you didn't like H870, I'm afraid US869 won't help ya much. ever give ramshot a go? its double base, but looks extruded, but heard good things about it, but I heard alot of praise for re-22 also and its not ll that.
RR
H1000 seems to be the powder I love the most for RUM's, and STW's.
#8

I use IMR 4985 in my .223, which meters well in my RCBS meter. I had also used Win 748, but I didn't think I got any better groups with that. I use H4350 in my .30-06, which does well. I use the IMR 4895 in my .30-30 and 8mm Mauser as well. I have some H335, which I was thinking about trying in my 8mm, but I am waiting until I get new sights for it, or a scope set up. For my 45 ACP - I use Unique. Its a bit dirty, but it sure makes for nice practice loads with the 185 LSWC bullets.
#9
Spike
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Central Arkansas
Posts: 7

I've loaded my own ammo for more than 45 years, I do not have a single load with ball powder, I've tried it a number of times over the years and just flat don't like it (dirty burning and extended cleaning if I use it). I do have 748 and (RL 15, thought it was a single base powder but isn't). I've had outstanding sucess with H4831 for 243, 25/06, 270, 280, either IMR 4895 or 4064 for the 30/30, 307, 308, 30/06, IMR 7828 with the 7MM Rem Mag. I should add I use W231 for my 45ACP (burns clean) which is the only pistol round I load for! The only advantage I see for ball powder it meters well, for what it's worth I do not like to run my loads at or near max to enhance buring qualities. My .02 William
Last edited by ra18657; 05-09-2011 at 12:26 PM. Reason: forgot about my Springfield 45ACP