Bullet density and Ballistic Coefficients
Now, we all know that a feather is going to drop to the ground slower than a lead ball because it's much less dense and is influenced by air much more. However, I'm wondering why there seems to be nothing to figure the difference in flight between, say, a plain copper bullet and a bullet with a lead core (let's ignore the fact that the copper bullets would have to have more volume to retain the same mass). The lead core one would have more density, and this would lead me to believe that it would be affected by wind less. However, ballistic coefficients are only calculated by shape, the relative angles of a certain bullet etc and this is what we use in calculators. What are standard projectiles made out of? Is compensation consistently accurate by adjusting BCs in calculators? I'm delving into the world of ballistics and some things just require good solid experience to answer :D
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Originally Posted by Big Z
(Post 3503876)
Now, we all know that a feather is going to drop to the ground slower than a lead ball because it's much less dense and is influenced by air much more. However, I'm wondering why there seems to be nothing to figure the difference in flight between, say, a plain copper bullet and a bullet with a lead core (let's ignore the fact that the copper bullets would have to have more volume to retain the same mass). The lead core one would have more density, and this would lead me to believe that it would be affected by wind less. However, ballistic coefficients are only calculated by shape, the relative angles of a certain bullet etc and this is what we use in calculators. What are standard projectiles made out of? Is compensation consistently accurate by adjusting BCs in calculators? I'm delving into the world of ballistics and some things just require good solid experience to answer :D
Gravity force and pressure from wind shear are two totally differnet things, and only things affecting it are bullets side area and its ability to get from A-B. Faster it gets there, less drift. |
Originally Posted by bigcountry
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Only thing that affects drift is ability for a bullet to get from A-B. A bullet does not fight with the wind, like your example of a feather falling to the ground. But in flight it trys to keep even pressure on sides and flies with that. Where with gavity, it does not.
Gravity force and pressure from wind shear are two totally differnet things, and only things affecting it are bullets side area and its ability to get from A-B. Faster it gets there, less drift. good explanation hits it right on the head it would have took me a page to explain it lol |
Not to mention that a 50 gr. bullet weighs 50 grains weather it is 100% lead or 100% copper. The shape of that 50 gr. bullet needs to be concidered more so that what it's made of!
If you had 100 pounds of feathers compacted into a small ball like shape and 100 pounds of lead and drop them from the same height at the same time, they both should hit the ground at the same time, as long as the feathers don't have more wind resistance than the lead does. |
Originally Posted by Howler
(Post 3504114)
Not to mention that a 50 gr. bullet weighs 50 grains weather it is 100% lead or 100% copper. The shape of that 50 gr. bullet needs to be concidered more so that what it's made of!
If you had 100 pounds of feathers compacted into a small ball like shape and 100 pounds of lead and drop them from the same height at the same time, they both should hit the ground at the same time, as long as the feathers don't have more wind resistance than the lead does. |
Originally Posted by Big Z
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Now, we all know that a feather is going to drop to the ground slower than a lead ball because it's much less dense and is influenced by air much more. However, I'm wondering why there seems to be nothing to figure the difference in flight between, say, a plain copper bullet and a bullet with a lead core (let's ignore the fact that the copper bullets would have to have more volume to retain the same mass). The lead core one would have more density, and this would lead me to believe that it would be affected by wind less. However, ballistic coefficients are only calculated by shape, the relative angles of a certain bullet etc and this is what we use in calculators. What are standard projectiles made out of? Is compensation consistently accurate by adjusting BCs in calculators? I'm delving into the world of ballistics and some things just require good solid experience to answer :D
So what, exactly, is BC? Well, quite simply its the ratio of the velocity loss rate of a given projectile compared to a "standard projectile" fired at the same velocity. The G1 standard projectile is the one used by most manufacturers because it gives the highest BC numbers, but is also the LEAST representative drag model for modern spitzer boat-tail rifle bullets. The G1 projectile The caliber and shape of the bullet don't directly effect wind drift. The important factor is time of flight. If you compare a .308cal 180 grain bullet with a BC of .450 fired at 3000fps to a 100gr .243" VLD bullet with a .450 BC also fired at 3000fps, the two will have virtually IDENTICAL wind drift. Why? Because they are fired at the same velocity and lose that velocity at the same rate, so the time of flight to any given distance is the same. Mike |
Thanks mike,
However, I'm still not getting anything related to the flight characteristics of 2 different bullets made of materials with differing densities. Here's a scenario that might help understand the question. Let's assume that we have 2 bullets. One made of lead, one made of copper. They are formed in the same mold, loaded in the same rifle and shot at the same speed. What is the difference? Surely there is something, beyond what a calculator using BC and velocity tells us. |
Originally Posted by Big Z
(Post 3504581)
Thanks mike,
However, I'm still not getting anything related to the flight characteristics of 2 different bullets made of materials with differing densities. Here's a scenario that might help understand the question. Let's assume that we have 2 bullets. One made of lead, one made of copper. They are formed in the same mold, loaded in the same rifle and shot at the same speed. What is the difference? Surely there is something, beyond what a calculator using BC and velocity tells us. BC=SD/Form Factor BC is Ballistic Coefficient SD is Sectional Density Form Factor is a representation of the shape Since the Form Factor is the same in your example the only variable is SD. So the BC is directly affected by the SD and if the SD goes up by 10% so does the BC go up by 10%. I believe a lead bullet is 27% denser than copper so a lead bullet of the same shape will have a 27% higher BC. |
Thanks Scott. That most definitely makes sense. Now a question for standard projectiles. Are standard projectiles assumed to be a certain density? Or are standard projectiles just a shape that form factor is derived from?
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Originally Posted by Scott Gags
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If the bullets have the same shape the heavier bullet will have a higher BC. The formula is as follows:
BC=SD/Form Factor BC is Ballistic Coefficient SD is Sectional Density Form Factor is a representation of the shape Since the Form Factor is the same in your example the only variable is SD. So the BC is directly affected by the SD and if the SD goes up by 10% so does the BC go up by 10%. I believe a lead bullet is 27% denser than copper so a lead bullet of the same shape will have a 27% higher BC. Just did some research, guess your correct. |
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