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propmahn 03-25-2003 01:38 PM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
unless they put you on a polygraph then you could always " not recall" where the ammo can from. not that i encourage lying in court under oath since it is a felony and your guns could be taken away. if you shoot ammo from one company then buy components that are the same and keep a box and a half next to the gun. just leave the ammo in the box all the time and carry reloads. if you have a lawyer with a decent brain then there should be not problem with carrying reloads.

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GTBuzz 03-28-2003 11:21 AM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
I have posted the question of using reloads on HuntAmerica, AccurateReloading, and a couple of other boards before. There is often talk of what " could" happen or what it " could" mean in court. I suppose I will ask the same question here: " Does anyone have reference to an ACTUAL court case where the use of handloads was introduced as evidence in court?" What was the outcome? Not to be rude, but please don' t answer with stories of " heard it from a brother' s cousin' s girlfriend' s mom that somebody got in trouble for using handloads." I am asking for actual court cases.

I have asked this question to several gun writers and lawyers as well and always drawn a goose egg. From what I understand police departments are more concerned about handloads not being as " reliable" as factory ammo.

BigEd 03-28-2003 11:22 AM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
Here' s something to ponder that I have done as a defense load: Remington bullets -125gr.357, Remington cases -.357Mag, Remington primers-Small Pistol Mag.
Now let them prove they are reloads.;)

On the other hand in my state I' d bet the jury would care less either way. Even if it went to court.

paulyseggs 03-28-2003 05:12 PM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
GTBUZZ you nailed it on the head for me, thats what i wanna know but my cromagnun melon must not be up to it;s usual speed,


i wanna see some hard proof of someone going to jail because of handloaded ammo, my theory if i have justifaction to use my pistol my ammo shouldn;t matter

Bloodnativ 03-29-2003 09:27 AM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
According to a Second Amendment attorney I talked to, it has never been tested in court. It would be next to impossible for a jury to prove " intent" just because you handload your defense ammo. Talk about circumstantial evidence! I reload all my ammo including what' s on my hip. Most of the handloaders I know are intelligent and aware enough to avoid 99.9% of the potential confrontations that could put them in a situation to be a test case. 90% of potentially lethal confrontations can be avoided completely just by being aware of your surroundings. The other 9.9% can be diffused without force if you keep a cool head. Unfortunately, the other .1% will be decided in court. Like someone else said, be sure it is a justified shoot and you shouldn' t have any problems

recoiljunky 03-29-2003 12:35 PM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
I can' t find a case that involves the establishment of intent by handloading ammunition. I still can' t recommend it however. 40 S&W Hydroshoks work good enough.

mlaubner 03-31-2003 02:19 PM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
If I were using handloads for defensive purposes I might choose 200gr. SWC for my .45 acp.
Does one heck of a job on soft tissue and I could swear to the fact that it was intended for target shooting!

James B 04-01-2003 12:47 AM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
Most of the anti handloads for defense that I have read come from Jan Liberel who writes for one of the two main gun magazines. He is a writer but also act as expert witness in self defense cases all over the country. I carry factory loads in my carry gun. The FBI load which is 158 gr lead hollow point in my 38 special. However if my gun was loaded with hand loads when a problem came up, I would not hesitate to use them.

eldeguello 04-05-2003 10:40 AM

RE: anyone handload self defense ammo
 
I use a 230-grain Keith-type semiwadcutter HP bullet for target shooting, with 7.3 grains of Unique. A great target load!!


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