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Dang Flyer's........
Laffin'........
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Congradulations, you got your first sub 0.5MOA group. Laffin, grin, grin........
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The part that will hump you up is that 51.3, 51.7, 52.2 and 52.5, will all fly into the same group center, with much similar group size......representing approx. a 5ish K spread high to lowof pressure, and only a spread, high to low,of 75 fps of velocity. 51.0 and 52.9 are workable within the same POI, but group size was double.....
53.6 gave a sticky bolt lift, for reference...... I won't tell you what the wind was doing last evening, or how many rounds have been fired since the last cleaning.... It'd make you choke on your Cheetos....... (Disclaimer: work up your own loads, in your own rifles......) |
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Well, if you going to post, are you going to fill us in on rifle/caliber/bullet?
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This being a switcheroo from a known quantity regarding trying a little faster powder this time, and 'tis the first phase of R&D on a bullet swap. Though admittedly not quite as good for groups size (1/2 MOA), the above was attainedwith the slower powder and same/same for bullets.
This fasterpropellant yeilds a tad more pleasing load density as it won't allow any load compression, and since velocities and pressures are running neck and neck, I'm looking for the samegood results in the next phase with the other bullet. This first go was with Hornady Match, the next with TSX's..... The rifle....  |
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...............Very good. Now, if you could just get FIVE shots to group, you may be on the trail of something........'tis it not??
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Five shot groups don't tell me anything I can't already know with three...
I'm much more interested in the one shot group, every day, all year long. YMMV, of course........ |
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Dude, you dropped your gear in the crick!
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Five shot groups don't tell me anything I can't already know with three... I'm much more interested in the one shot group, every day, all year long. YMMV, of course........ |
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And your problem is...what?
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony And your problem is...what? But, I guess that is just one more of Wilds' Principles................ |
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The part that will hump you up is that 51.3, 51.7, 52.2 and 52.5, will all fly into the same group center, with much similar group size...... R&D started with .07% increases from47.9 grains, and ended with 53.6, which is where sticky bolt lift occured. 51.3 to 52.5 is the "zone" I chose to work with as all charges in that zone fell to the same POI. Halfway in that "zone", 51.9 grains, represents the optimal instant for the bullet to exit the barrel regarding this barrels harmonics for that range of velocity. Through out that "zone", 51.3 to 52.5,three shot groups were solid 1/2 MOA with a .025" jump to the lands. Once settled on the charge weight of 51.9, I tried an additional .015" off the lands and got about 1 MOA groups. Setting the seating depth to just kissing the lands, or basically0" off the lands produced the group sizeyou see in the pic above..... So I'll ask again, your problem is .....what? |
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony The part that will hump you up is that 51.3, 51.7, 52.2 and 52.5, will all fly into the same group center, with much similar group size...... R&D started with .07% increases from47.9 grains, and ended with 53.6, which is where sticky bolt lift occured. 51.3 to 52.5 is the "zone" I chose to work with as all charges in that zone fell to the same POI. Halfway in that "zone", 51.9 grains, represents the optimal instant for the bullet to exit the barrel regarding this barrels harmonics for that range of velocity. Through out that "zone", 51.3 to 52.5,three shot groups were solid 1/2 MOA with a .025" jump to the lands. Once settled on the charge weight of 51.9, I tried an additional .015" off the lands and got about 1 MOA groups. Setting the seating depth to just kissing the lands, or basically0" off the lands produced the group sizeyou see in the pic above..... So I'll ask again, your problem is .....what? I understand that is probably much easier for you to count to three than it is to five. Again, if you are satisfied with your three-note stanzas and don't wish to break your bubble with a five-shot string, by all means forge ahead. This may come as a shock to you, but I actually do understand what you have done and why. Although you feel you have achieved Nirvana with your procedure, the five shot groups will give you a much greater population to extrapolate and interpret meaningful data from. So, once again, if you would have taken the time to actually read my last post, in answer to your query "What's my problem.....??" Once again....If this is your personal pleasure, have at it..........No Problem. |
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Why the pointed comments, as if you imply you operate at a higher level, with your five shot strings......heck, I'm amazed a Pennsytuckian of your calibercould count all the way up to five. I'd have to see it to actually believe it.
I ran a total of 100 rounds on this powder test, with several duplicateconfirmation groups, as well as mid point charge weights in an attempt to purposely skew the results...just to double check. So I'm fairly confident I've all the data I need sans wasting any more componentry at current prices.I've seen me shoot and last I knew,I was pretty good at it. Squeezing a trigger for some, may be a feat unto itself thus requiring more datum points but I'll muddle along just fine without that, and not feel one bit compelled to justify 3 vs. 5 to you or anyone in some 3rd grade pissin' match. It's a hunting rifle dude, one shot one kill, is the acid test....... Now that I've the results for the Hornady Match we'll move on to the TSX in the same grain weight and see if a swap load is doable with the samecharge weight. Since it's a given already proven at similar velocities, I doubt I'll have bad luck with it, but keep in mind nothing is confirmed yetpast 150 yards. Might nowenter into something here you don't understand, so I'll appologize in advance if you get lost....... |
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Why the pointed comments, as if you imply you operate at a higher level, with your five shot strings......heck, I'm amazed a Pennsytuckian of your calibercould count all the way up to five. I'd have to see it to actually believe it. I ran a total of 100 rounds on this powder test, with several duplicateconfirmation groups, as well as mid point charge weights in an attempt to purposely skew the results...just to double check. So I'm fairly confident I've all the data I need sans wasting any more componentry at current prices.I've seen me shoot and last I knew,I was pretty good at it. Squeezing a trigger for some, may be a feat unto itself thus requiring more datum points but I'll muddle along just fine without that, and not feel one bit compelled to justify 3 vs. 5 to you or anyone in some 3rd grade pissin' match. It's a hunting rifle dude, one shot one kill, is the acid test....... Now that I've the results for the Hornady Match we'll move on to the TSX in the same grain weight and see if a swap load is doable with the samecharge weight. Since it's a given already proven at similar velocities, I doubt I'll have bad luck with it, but keep in mind nothing is confirmed yetpast 150 yards. Might nowenter into something here you don't understand, so I'll appologize in advance if you get lost....... |
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Tell me "bow man" all about it....
For someone who admittedly only really cares about traditional archery, you sure spend a lot of time down here in "firearms" harrassing people............. edit for spelling |
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Why the pointed comments, as if you imply you operate at a higher level, with your five shot strings......heck, I'm amazed a Pennsytuckian of your calibercould count all the way up to five. I'd have to see it to actually believe it. I ran a total of 100 rounds on this powder test, with several duplicateconfirmation groups, as well as mid point charge weights in an attempt to purposely skew the results...just to double check. So I'm fairly confident I've all the data I need sans wasting any more componentry at current prices.I've seen me shoot and last I knew,I was pretty good at it. Squeezing a trigger for some, may be a feat unto itself thus requiring more datum points but I'll muddle along just fine without that, and not feel one bit compelled to justify 3 vs. 5 to you or anyone in some 3rd grade pissin' match. It's a hunting rifle dude, one shot one kill, is the acid test....... Now that I've the results for the Hornady Match we'll move on to the TSX in the same grain weight and see if a swap load is doable with the samecharge weight. Since it's a given already proven at similar velocities, I doubt I'll have bad luck with it, but keep in mind nothing is confirmed yetpast 150 yards. Might nowenter into something here you don't understand, so I'll appologize in advance if you get lost....... Wow.................. |
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Tell me "bow man" all about it.... For someone who admittedly only really cares about traditional archery, you sure spend a lot of time down here in "firearms" harrassing people............. edit for spelling I still love to sling lead...............................Who doesn't. Just rather hunt with a bow. Just pointing out a little observation, about people being interested in your results. Hey I got an idea, insteadof creek pics,throw that rifle ina deepriver, and go in after it and see if you can find it. That would entertain us. We wouldn't mind seeing that. Have one of your buddies take a picture of course. Several if possible. And a high bridge too. Like over 100ft high. That would be cool for us to watch. Oh yea, don't forget the angle wieghts. Very important, grin........ Go on now, get back to us with those pictures. grin grin........laughter........................ |
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ORIGINAL: bigcountry ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Tell me "bow man" all about it.... For someone who admittedly only really cares about traditional archery, you sure spend a lot of time down here in "firearms" harrassing people............. edit for spelling I still love to sling lead...............................Who doesn't. Just rather hunt with a bow. Just pointing out a little observation, about people being interested in your results. Hey I got an idea, insteadof creek pics,throw that rifle ina deepriver, and go in after it and see if you can find it. That would entertain us. We wouldn't mind seeing that. And a high bridge too. Like over 100ft high. That would be cool for us to watch. Go on now, get back to us with those pictures. grin grin........laughter........................ LMFAO.......... |
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Since you obviouslyspeak for all People everywhere, I'll take into consideration from where it comes.
There, that didn't take long, nor much effort... Have a nice evening bow man......... |
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Not sure what the pissin match is about. Id be real happy with groups like that 2 shots or 3 shotsor 5 shots. Looks like it will get the job done. I guess I wont be posting range reports here. Way too critical around here.
Good shooting Rifle Looney. Im more of ainch & a quartergroup kinda shooter |
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There's ways around that, within thegear you employ...
Much towards the point of my thread, here. Thanks for standing up....... If I get time this weekend between work, and my daughter's graduation party...I'll have TSX data to post. |
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ORIGINAL: burntmuch Not sure what the pissin match is about. Id be real happy with groups like that 2 shots or 3 shotsor 5 shots. Looks like it will get the job done. I guess I wont be posting range reports here. Way too critical around here. Good shooting Rifle Looney. Im more of ainch & a quartergroup kinda shooter |
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Like I've told you before Big Country, you've got me confused with someone else........
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Like I've told you before Big Country, you've got me confused with someone else........ |
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I'm not Larry, if that's what you mean..........
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony I'm not Larry, if that's what you mean.......... See ya |
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I just don't think the guy will ever change. He uses different names but you only have to read a couple of his posts, and there is no doubt who it is. It's the same old stuff. Hooray for me, and you're stupid if you don't do it my way. Slamming the other person's home area. Telling people they are not smart enough to grasp his concepts. His personal "witty" replies and statements. He just acts like a pompous ass.
I totally agree with bc. I believe the guy is quite knowledgeable in the firearms and reloading areas. However, if he makes a statement that you don't agree with and you take him to task for it, the jumping up and down and ranting, raving and personal bashing begin. So those of us who decide to feed him a little of his own medicine periodically do so. It's too bad Wilds or Riifle Looney or whomever he calls himself at a particular point in time has to act the way he does. I think he COULD be someone worth talking to. The boisterous bravado and the cocky, smug attitude leave most of us turned off, however...... |
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3 shot groups make sense. You can shoot a lot more 3 shot groups than 5 shot groups with a given amount of ammo. This comes in handy when you are looking for a group to post on the internetz to claim that your rifle shoots .5 moa all day long. Laffin
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Define trolling...
Is it posting that which interests me that does not you, or posting an opinion that which differs from yours...and then defending my method, or myposition? Because that's all I've ever done, here.... Is THAT what steps on your toes....?? This thread from inception was tounge in cheek about a "flyer" that fell out of a pretty good "group"....but you and your lap dogs couldn't handle that and you allcarried on with YOUR predictable behavior. You should be proud...... |
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Blew gales today, with several good storms rolling through...
Might try to shoot more tomorrow......... |
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Let us know how things turn out with the new tests....At my local range I did some observing and three shot groups appear the norm when attempting data on a new round or when working up a new load. I always have and do shoot three shot groups when working new or existing loads with the muzzleloader. Seems to me theres nothing to be learned from a 5 shot group that i can't learn with 3.
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Define trolling... Is it posting that which interests me that does not you, or posting an opinion that which differs from yours...and then defending my method, or myposition? Because that's all I've ever done, here.... Is THAT what steps on your toes....?? This thread from inception was tounge in cheek about a "flyer" that fell out of a pretty good "group"....but you and your lap dogs couldn't handle that and you allcarried on with YOUR predictable behavior. You should be proud...... You want to see about trolling, just go to huntingnut and grizzly gary's page and see why you are banned. Or go to your little page, where you brag about getting banned all the time for trolling hunting pages. Walker, this says alot about you. Your a grown man, what 45-50 something and you spend your extra time, going to hunting sites trying to get banned and then go to your other buddies page braggin about it. What does that say about you? What does this say about your intelligence or maturity and just plain example for your children? I dare you to comment on this. We can pull up all moderators comments about you on other pages. And you still can't see it. What does this say about you? |
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I don't want to get in on all of the you did this and thatwith this thread but I did want to comment that I used to shoot 5 shots groups until Bill Hober of Swiftrecommendedthat Idrop down to 3 shot groups when working up loads stating that 3 shot groups will show you all you need to know when working loads..
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Nope......
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