What should I do??
12-30-2007, 08:28 PM
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What should I do??
So as some of you know I am trying to get my Ruger 7mm Rem mag to shoot 168 gr Bergers. Well, my chamber is 3.48 (off the top of my head) and my mag is 3.35. I loaded up 20 at 3.33 so they will fit in my mag and they didn't shoot too well. I used 4831SC in .5 grain increments. Should I switch to a different bullet? Try a different powder? I know Bergers should be touching the lands, but I really don't want to be limited to a single shot...
Thanks in Advance
Thanks in Advance
12-30-2007, 09:21 PM
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RE: What should I do??
Thanks RR, I have some R22, R19, and some IMR 4831 that I was going to try, but didn't want to be wasting my time.
I've looked at the Wyatt mags before, but they don't make one for a tang safety Ruger, the whole action is short. Its kinda weird actually...
I've looked at the Wyatt mags before, but they don't make one for a tang safety Ruger, the whole action is short. Its kinda weird actually...
12-31-2007, 09:57 AM
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RE: What should I do??
You may find that the VLDs are just to long. Or, you may find another OAL sweet spot much shorter than recommended . Barnes did a little test on OAL. accuracy and pressure. They found that there is usually more than one OAL sweet spot. One rather long and one rather short.
http://www.barnesbullets.com/resources/newsletters/bullet-n-archive/september-2007-barnes-bullet-n/
I would start with the longest your mag will allow and work back looking for that second sweet spot. If you can't find it then I would switch bullets or modify the rifle. In that order.
http://www.barnesbullets.com/resources/newsletters/bullet-n-archive/september-2007-barnes-bullet-n/
I would start with the longest your mag will allow and work back looking for that second sweet spot. If you can't find it then I would switch bullets or modify the rifle. In that order.
01-06-2008, 07:05 AM
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RE: What should I do??
"I used 4831SC in .5 grain increments."
I assume you worked up in 0.5-grain increments?? From what starting load? How many batches at 0.5-grain increments did you fire? What happened? Did the groups tighten up as you increased the powder weight, or did they open up? Or stay the same? Regular H4831 has always given me pretty good accuracy in the 7mm Mag., but I've never tried the SC stuff.
I assume you worked up in 0.5-grain increments?? From what starting load? How many batches at 0.5-grain increments did you fire? What happened? Did the groups tighten up as you increased the powder weight, or did they open up? Or stay the same? Regular H4831 has always given me pretty good accuracy in the 7mm Mag., but I've never tried the SC stuff.
01-06-2008, 09:34 AM
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RE: What should I do??
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"I used 4831SC in .5 grain increments."
I assume you worked up in 0.5-grain increments?? From what starting load? How many batches at 0.5-grain increments did you fire? What happened? Did the groups tighten up as you increased the powder weight, or did they open up? Or stay the same? Regular H4831 has always given me pretty good accuracy in the 7mm Mag., but I've never tried the SC stuff.
"I used 4831SC in .5 grain increments."
I assume you worked up in 0.5-grain increments?? From what starting load? How many batches at 0.5-grain increments did you fire? What happened? Did the groups tighten up as you increased the powder weight, or did they open up? Or stay the same? Regular H4831 has always given me pretty good accuracy in the 7mm Mag., but I've never tried the SC stuff.
01-06-2008, 02:34 PM
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RE: What should I do??
IMO you are trying to beat a dead horse. You did not specify if the bullet's were VLD's, but if they are VLD's then good luck. The only time I have seen VLD's group is in a match chamber and tucked up into the lands. I have read in some Bench Rest forums that the reason they need to be tucked up into the lands(.005-.010) is that neck tension is a real problem with the bullet.
If you really want to make them work then turn your case necks. Measure your chamber, and buy acollet sizing die matched to your chamber. You have to get the neck tension right. And doing all this may not even be possibleif your chamber is too oversized or sloppy. Talk to BigCountry and see if he can help you with the runout, because that is where your true problem is. And from reading his posts he seems to truly understand runout.
I had aGunsmith tellme this one time"If the action is straight and trued, and the barrel is perfectly aligned, and your ammo is straight then seating depth(within reason)is not an issue as long as you have consistent neck tension." I am not sure those were his exact words, but I am close.He is building me a 22-250 right now.
Try the Sierra 175 grain bullet. Is shoots unbelievably in my 7mm Weatherby. I am assuming you are wanting a long range bullet, with a high BC, that will kill things way out there. IMO that 175 Sierra is the berries. And it is not a finicky bullet. Tom.
If you really want to make them work then turn your case necks. Measure your chamber, and buy acollet sizing die matched to your chamber. You have to get the neck tension right. And doing all this may not even be possibleif your chamber is too oversized or sloppy. Talk to BigCountry and see if he can help you with the runout, because that is where your true problem is. And from reading his posts he seems to truly understand runout.
I had aGunsmith tellme this one time"If the action is straight and trued, and the barrel is perfectly aligned, and your ammo is straight then seating depth(within reason)is not an issue as long as you have consistent neck tension." I am not sure those were his exact words, but I am close.He is building me a 22-250 right now.
Try the Sierra 175 grain bullet. Is shoots unbelievably in my 7mm Weatherby. I am assuming you are wanting a long range bullet, with a high BC, that will kill things way out there. IMO that 175 Sierra is the berries. And it is not a finicky bullet. Tom.
01-06-2008, 06:15 PM
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RE: What should I do??
ORIGINAL: kelbro
1.5" groups are pretty good for a Ruger
. &Mag. Ruger trigger. They are not known for 'benchrest' type accuracy.
1.5" groups are pretty good for a Ruger
. &Mag. Ruger trigger. They are not known for 'benchrest' type accuracy.
01-06-2008, 06:23 PM
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RE: What should I do??
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IMO you are trying to beat a dead horse. You did not specify if the bullet's were VLD's, but if they are VLD's then good luck. The only time I have seen VLD's group is in a match chamber and tucked up into the lands. I have read in some Bench Rest forums that the reason they need to be tucked up into the lands(.005-.010) is that neck tension is a real problem with the bullet.
If you really want to make them work then turn your case necks. Measure your chamber, and buy acollet sizing die matched to your chamber. You have to get the neck tension right. And doing all this may not even be possibleif your chamber is too oversized or sloppy. Talk to BigCountry and see if he can help you with the runout, because that is where your true problem is. And from reading his posts he seems to truly understand runout.
I had aGunsmith tellme this one time"If the action is straight and trued, and the barrel is perfectly aligned, and your ammo is straight then seating depth(within reason)is not an issue as long as you have consistent neck tension." I am not sure those were his exact words, but I am close.He is building me a 22-250 right now.
Try the Sierra 175 grain bullet. Is shoots unbelievably in my 7mm Weatherby. I am assuming you are wanting a long range bullet, with a high BC, that will kill things way out there. IMO that 175 Sierra is the berries. And it is not a finicky bullet. Tom.
IMO you are trying to beat a dead horse. You did not specify if the bullet's were VLD's, but if they are VLD's then good luck. The only time I have seen VLD's group is in a match chamber and tucked up into the lands. I have read in some Bench Rest forums that the reason they need to be tucked up into the lands(.005-.010) is that neck tension is a real problem with the bullet.
If you really want to make them work then turn your case necks. Measure your chamber, and buy acollet sizing die matched to your chamber. You have to get the neck tension right. And doing all this may not even be possibleif your chamber is too oversized or sloppy. Talk to BigCountry and see if he can help you with the runout, because that is where your true problem is. And from reading his posts he seems to truly understand runout.
I had aGunsmith tellme this one time"If the action is straight and trued, and the barrel is perfectly aligned, and your ammo is straight then seating depth(within reason)is not an issue as long as you have consistent neck tension." I am not sure those were his exact words, but I am close.He is building me a 22-250 right now.
Try the Sierra 175 grain bullet. Is shoots unbelievably in my 7mm Weatherby. I am assuming you are wanting a long range bullet, with a high BC, that will kill things way out there. IMO that 175 Sierra is the berries. And it is not a finicky bullet. Tom.