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I didn't take them seriously until I was at Bass Pro while ago and saw a sign on the wall saying you will have to have a licence or permit to buy "explosives" after May 24. They wouldn't have put it up there for nothing.

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I haven't seen it yet but that's very interesting. Does this include BP? Ammo? What? I plan on heading to Bass Pro this weekend. I'm going to ask them about it.

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By the way, BP is not an explosive. Neither is ammo or most of the other stuff that the average LEGAL hunter uses in pursuit of his chosen quarry. That is unless they have changed the classifications. I'm going to try to find a website for them and look into it.

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I just got back from the ATF website and this new reg does not affect sportsmen and reloaders. It is mainly targeted at agricultural, commercial, and industrial users. It is concerned with thing like ammonium nitrate, dynamite, TNT, etc. They are just tightening the restictions on these areas. The notice was appearantly sent out to all ATF license holders. I could be wrong here but I read it very carefully and it did specifically say that the BP exemption was NOT affected.

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Blood is right.....sporting users are not required to have any permit.

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Several of my friends are either police or firemen and a few good friends that work for gunshops. All inform me that what we use is classified as propellents not explosives which do require licenses to purchase and store in most parts of the country.

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Well, just got back from breakfast with a ATF agent that I am very good freinds with. He doesn't like the wording either. This is one section that says "smallarms components" is not an explosive but another that does classify blackpowder and smokeless as an explosive. My friend as a reloader and long range shooter feels they left the door open for very easy admendment if the powers that be decide. I don't know about you guys, but he is uncomfortable, I will take his work over yours. I mean you already have to have a licience or permit to buy "explosives", so why the new section and new reiteration. And on the new reiteration with the agicultural chemicals, check out what else is on it. Thats right, smokeless and blackpowder. I mean as someone put it, "The brady bill wasn't supposed to affect handgun sales to honest citizens". Yea right.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/explarson/n...notice_943.pdf

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Gosh I hope so DG. I was so bothered by this when seeing this yesterday hung up at Bass Pro. You would think they would have known better to get people like myself up in a tizzy.

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Black powder is classified as a PRIMARY explosive, as are most of the BP substitutes. Smokeless powder is classified as a flammable solid. The difference is smokeless powder burns faster when pressure increases while explosives always burn at the same rate.
Look at the shipping regs on both and you will find tighter restrictions on black powder than on smokless powders. The same is true with storage regs.

PaulS

Think safety, act safely, live long enough to enjoy it

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PaulS, did you read that link I posted?

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bigcountry,
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did. I also checked the listed USCs and found this:

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 40 > Sec. 841. Next
Sec. 841. - Definitions As used in this chapter -
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 40 > SECTION 841


(c)
It shall be unlawful for any licensee to distribute explosive materials to any person who the licensee has reason to believe intends to transport such explosive materials into a State where the purchase, possession, or use of explosive materials is prohibited or which does not permit its residents to transport or ship explosive materials into it or to receive explosive materials in it.
(d)
It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to distribute explosive materials to any individual who:
(1)
is under twenty-one years of age;
(2)
has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(3)
is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(4)
is a fugitive from justice;
(5)
is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); or
(6)
has been adjudicated a mental defective.

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and the exceptions under the law are:

Sec. 845. - Exceptions; relief from disabilities
(a)
Except in the case of subsections [1] (l), (m), (n), or (o) of section 842 and subsections (d), (e), (f), (g), (h), and (i) of section 844 of this title, this chapter shall not apply to:
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(4)
small arms ammunition and components thereof;

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As components of amunition smokeless powders are exempt from this statute - as is Black powder - in quatities that are limited (and always have been) by law.

The statutes do NOT change the fact that by chemical definition smokeless powders are flammable solids and NOT explosives. Just because the government wishes to classify something as an explosive (or anything else for that matter) doesn't change it's chemistry.

PaulS


Think safety, act safely, live long enough to enjoy it