Dies that don't use lube
08-11-2006, 06:48 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Dies that don't use lube
Hey guys,
I have a question regarding the dies that don't use case lube. I believe they are called carbide dies (?) Not sure.
How do they work?
Are they full length resizing dies?
Are there any down sides?
Thanks
Tom
I have a question regarding the dies that don't use case lube. I believe they are called carbide dies (?) Not sure.
How do they work?
Are they full length resizing dies?
Are there any down sides?
Thanks
Tom
08-11-2006, 08:28 AM
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RE: Dies that don't use lube
ORIGINAL: statjunk
Hey guys,
I have a question regarding the dies that don't use case lube. I believe they are called carbide dies (?) Not sure.
How do they work? This steel doesn't require lube
Are they full length resizing dies? Yes
Are there any down sides? None that I know of
Thanks
Tom
Hey guys,
I have a question regarding the dies that don't use case lube. I believe they are called carbide dies (?) Not sure.
How do they work? This steel doesn't require lube
Are they full length resizing dies? Yes
Are there any down sides? None that I know of
Thanks
Tom
08-11-2006, 08:30 AM
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RE: Dies that don't use lube
Generally only available for straight walled pistol cases. And not all. Like for a 45-70 or my new 460 smith, not available due to slight taper. Also, I load for a 357sig cartrdige. Its a bottlenecked 9mm basically. But there was one company that made them for that. But RCBS and Lee didn't. thats the reason I say "generally".
Carbide is much, much harder than steel. Thats the reason no lube needed, the case does not embed itself in the metal like steel. I am not exactly sure why they can't make carbide FL rifle dies, but I think it mostly has to do with expense or trying to mill and polish to be able to FL size. The carbide in pistol dies is generally only at the opening.
I don't really see a downside.
Carbide is much, much harder than steel. Thats the reason no lube needed, the case does not embed itself in the metal like steel. I am not exactly sure why they can't make carbide FL rifle dies, but I think it mostly has to do with expense or trying to mill and polish to be able to FL size. The carbide in pistol dies is generally only at the opening.
I don't really see a downside.
08-11-2006, 08:48 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Dies that don't use lube
That totally sucks. I was hoping to spend a few bucks to eliminate the lubing part. I guess I still have to do it the old fashioned way and lube it up before I put it in! lol.
Tom
Tom
08-11-2006, 07:34 PM
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RE: Dies that don't use lube
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
Generally only available for straight walled pistol cases. And not all. Like for a 45-70 or my new 460 smith, not available due to slight taper. Also, I load for a 357sig cartrdige. Its a bottlenecked 9mm basically. But there was one company that made them for that. But RCBS and Lee didn't. thats the reason I say "generally".
Carbide is much, much harder than steel. Thats the reason no lube needed, the case does not embed itself in the metal like steel. I am not exactly sure why they can't make carbide FL rifle dies, but I think it mostly has to do with expense or trying to mill and polish to be able to FL size. The carbide in pistol dies is generally only at the opening.
I don't really see a downside.
Generally only available for straight walled pistol cases. And not all. Like for a 45-70 or my new 460 smith, not available due to slight taper. Also, I load for a 357sig cartrdige. Its a bottlenecked 9mm basically. But there was one company that made them for that. But RCBS and Lee didn't. thats the reason I say "generally".
Carbide is much, much harder than steel. Thats the reason no lube needed, the case does not embed itself in the metal like steel. I am not exactly sure why they can't make carbide FL rifle dies, but I think it mostly has to do with expense or trying to mill and polish to be able to FL size. The carbide in pistol dies is generally only at the opening.
I don't really see a downside.
the reason they cant make carbide FL rifle dies is because carbide is too hard to mill. The carbide has to be heated up and forged to shape so like you said its most likely due to cost why they dont make them.
08-11-2006, 08:47 PM
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RE: Dies that don't use lube
I have a set of carbide 223 dies from Dillon .
But the cases still need lubed .
And cost is a problem .
If I bought then new , a 3 die 223 set runs $119.95 and just the sizer die runs $92.95
http://dillonprecision.com/template/p.cfm?maj=47&min=0&dyn=1&
Johnch
But the cases still need lubed .
And cost is a problem .
If I bought then new , a 3 die 223 set runs $119.95 and just the sizer die runs $92.95
http://dillonprecision.com/template/p.cfm?maj=47&min=0&dyn=1&
Johnch
08-12-2006, 05:35 AM
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RE: Dies that don't use lube
ORIGINAL: johnch
I have a set of carbide 223 dies from Dillon .
But the cases still need lubed .
And cost is a problem .
If I bought then new , a 3 die 223 set runs $119.95 and just the sizer die runs $92.95
http://dillonprecision.com/template/p.cfm?maj=47&min=0&dyn=1&
Johnch
I have a set of carbide 223 dies from Dillon .
But the cases still need lubed .
And cost is a problem .
If I bought then new , a 3 die 223 set runs $119.95 and just the sizer die runs $92.95
http://dillonprecision.com/template/p.cfm?maj=47&min=0&dyn=1&
Johnch
