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Old 01-16-2006, 06:44 PM
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those big slow moving bullets like 45-70 just dont compare to the higher velocity rounds with bullets matched to the task like 270 or 243 for deer. ive shot a deer with a .458 win. mag. for gods sake and it still ran, does that mean it was inadequite ? i say NO! but a 270 with a 130 graincore lokt will almost always drop them in their tracks everytime. that deer bigcountry shot with the 45-70 would have soon expired soon as did the one i shot with the 458. yea i know theres a big energy difference between a 458 and a 45-70 but they reacte the same on deer. they are plenty of gun, but just dont deliver the energy effectivly. to answer everbodys question, yea a normal mortal can shoot a 458 and walk away without a broken arm, the ppl at the local gun club had a hard time thinking so . anyway a person just has to pick a cartridge that will deliver the energy more effectivly than a 45-70 or 458.
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Old 01-16-2006, 07:53 PM
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To start with,I would notbasethe accuracy of a load basedon one group at each powder charge.I test at least a few groups of the loads that show potential before judging the loads accuracy.
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Old 01-16-2006, 08:33 PM
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those big slow moving bullets like 45-70 just dont compare to the higher velocity rounds with bullets matched to the task like 270 or 243 for deer. ive shot a deer with a .458 win. mag. for gods sake and it still ran, does that mean it was inadequite ? i say NO! but a 270 with a 130 graincore lokt will almost always drop them in their tracks everytime. that deer bigcountry shot with the 45-70 would have soon expired soon as did the one i shot with the 458. yea i know theres a big energy difference between a 458 and a 45-70 but they reacte the same on deer. they are plenty of gun, but just dont deliver the energy effectivly. to answer everbodys question, yea a normal mortal can shoot a 458 and walk away without a broken arm, the ppl at the local gun club had a hard time thinking so . anyway a person just has to pick a cartridge that will deliver the energy more effectivly than a 45-70 or 458.
Wow, not even out of high school and you already have taken deer with a variety of guns including 458 win mag. I have litterly shot dozens of deer with a 270 and 130gr corelok when I was a kid your age and didn't reload, and I assure you many ran more than 12 yards. Some dropped on site, some ran 40 yards withthe top of the heart clipped. Same with a 243, which was my first gun more than 20 years ago. I have shot dozens more with my slug gun. Some dropped on site, some ran 50 yards. There is no such thing as a gun that will drop em everytime you will learn.
 
Old 01-17-2006, 06:25 AM
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sjumper Ive never triedthat. I usually try 3 or 4 dif powder loads with the bullet I like and usuallyits a pretty obivious between the difference in the groups accuracy and velocity differences on the chrony. Then I work on where I have the bullet seated and shoot many groups from there. If 2 or 3 powders are close I usually go with the fastest load.

Once I finally mess around some more and get the bullet seated where I like, then I usually re-shoot some groups at different usually longer yardages to see what it can do. I usually shoot whatever load I decide a bunch of times on different days and for the most part this has worked for me.

Do you mean try the exact same load on the same day just back to back in different 4 shot(orhowervermany)groups or keep shooting the same load over and over at same target. I understand that a good group one day does mean the same load will be a good group the next day.
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:57 AM
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No, he means shoot 3 to 4 groups of say 49gr (just an example, 3-4 of 50gr, 3-4 groups of 51gr, and take the average of the groups to tell the real story. Not just one group.
 
Old 01-17-2006, 02:53 PM
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When i said the 270 was dropping the deer in their track i was using warm hand loads and taking only shots that were almost always perfectly broadside (yea i knowthat dosent exist, but anyway). the deer would jump up in the air when hit with a heart shot and with lung shot most would simply stagger a few steps and fall over. the monster buck ( 8 pointer) i shot with the 458 ran like a bat out of hell for about 50 yards in the alders and hit the ground like a sack of potatoes. so much for the more energy the better . i now know better and will stick with a 270, 30-06, 243 or the like
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Old 01-17-2006, 03:00 PM
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Well, my factory coreloks were kicking out at 3000fps. A hot, I mean hot handload for a 270 with 130gr is 3100fps is the best most can do. So are you saying that 100fps is what made yours drop in thier tracks?
 
Old 01-17-2006, 05:57 PM
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Old 01-17-2006, 06:07 PM
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Its not a realgood idea to ask for help when you already know the answer and then jumping on someone for bringing it to light. You do this enough and your questions will not be touched by anyone. You asked, they tried to help......


Theres tons of experience here, you'd do well not to offend them as you may need them later when you ARENT sure what you want to do.


Let me also add... After killing over 40 deer with a 270..everyone using 130's of some brand or configuration but most in the Fed Hi-Shok variety that I can recall less than 5 going straight down no matter where they were hit. There is NO Hammer of Thor!! Nothing will drop deer where they stand everytime...

Closest I ever came top dropping them where they stood consistently was with 180 gr rn Winchester power points out of a 742.

I also killed 5 with a 7-08 this year using 140 gr core lokts and a whopping one of them dropped where it was.....and that was because it was bedded down.
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Old 01-17-2006, 06:22 PM
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Its not a realgood idea to ask for help when you already know the answer and then jumping on someone for bringing it to light. You do this enough and your questions will not be touched by anyone. You asked, they tried to help......




Theres tons of experience here, you'd do well not to offend them as you may need them later when you ARENT sure what you want to do.


Let me also add... After killing over 40 deer with a 270..everyone using 130's of some brand or configuration but most in the Fed Hi-Shok variety that I can recall less than 5 going straight down no matter where they were hit. There is NO Hammer of Thor!! Nothing will drop deer where they stand everytime...

Closest I ever came top dropping them where they stood consistently was with 180 gr rn Winchester power points out of a 742.


Doe Dumper you are correct and Im sorry if I offended you by posting this I forget others will read this. Maybe I should ask clearer questions to get the answers Im looking for.
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