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I am finding that the tsx bullets are not fouling any worse than any other bullet and certainly much better than the sciroccos that left terrible fouling after only a few shots.I clean after every range session but have not used a brush since the barrels were new and fouled much more.The other thing that I noticed is that although I dropped the powder charges with the tsx's the velocity has increased.

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Stub, I was shocked to find the same. Even less than partitions. Or close.

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see stubbs and bigc? lol I been tellin you guys that these bullets ARE "that damned good". They do it all and do it all TERRIBLY well. The grooves (or gaschecks) in the bullets are said to reduce bearing surface without hampering sealing ability. So that reduces friction which will increase velocity AND reduce fouling. I've also heard that those very "checks" allow extra copper to "flow into them while traveling down the barrel". Again that reduces fouling whereas otherwise that metal would remain in the bore.

THE best thing there is, it's just that simple! ;)
RA

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I am pleased with the results so far.The accuracy is not quite as good as with the ballistic tips but the bullet is one piece so it can't come apart and will always provide great penetration.As a result ,I will not have to be as choosy when picking my shots as I was with the ballistic tips.I was surprised to see that the velocity increased even though the powder charge was reduced.Even with the original powder charge ,no pressure signs were evident so the load should be very safe with the reduced powder charge.If the second rifle works out as good as the first,I will use the tsx's exclusively in my 300ultramags.With a bullet that can't come apart,a very high ballistic co-efficient and higher velocities than possible with conventional bullets the tsx looks to be the best bullet for my uses.

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I just ran the numbers through the ballistic calculator.Of course there could be error as there often is with these tables or calculations,but the trajectory looks promising.

100 yards 200 yards 300 yards 400 yards 500 yards
+2.75" +3.7" +.75" -6.5" -18.5"

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Sounds good stubbs, what velocity and weight TSX are you shooting? Ya gotta LOVE only 6" of drop at 400yds, if more people had that kind of trajectory they wouldn't think we were crazy for taking "1/4 milers" in the first place! Sure makes it pretty easy.

Stubbs have you ever experimented with "torque steer/drift" with your bullets at long range (over 600yds)? John Lazzeroni told me about most of his guns once being sighted in for very long range would actually shoot an inch left at 100yds. Makes sense as the forces of a 30 cal at the 3500-4000fps range would be a TREMENDOUS rotational force that would tend to drift the bullet in the direction of the barrels rifling. I would have to add it up, but I am wanting to say a "supermag" will spin bullets as fast as 250k-300k+ rpm? That's a tremendous force on a bullet and I can't see how ANY of them stay together under such a load.

I just LOVE these "point and shoot" calibers,
RA

RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

As I stated in a previous post,I am using the 180gr tsx out of my 300 ultramags at 3400fps.My local range is 500meters or 500 yards so that is the farthest that I shoot.As such,I haven't noticed any drift that couldn't be attributed to wind.

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Naw you wont see any drift at only 500yds, he was talking about his rifles that are shot consistently at 800-1000+yds.

A 180 @ 3400 is SMOKIN from an Ultra, they certainly are an affordable alternative too a Warbird or 30/378. ;)
RA

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Exactly.I will gladly give up the 100fps or so for much more affordable brass and a little more barrel life.

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I did some more testing this morning with surprising results.At 93gr the second rifle shot a 1/2" five shot group but there were still indications of excessive pressure.A quick test over the chronograph showed why as the result was 3450fps.At 92gr two out of the six rounds showed very slight traces of excessive pressure and velocity was around 3410fps.I will be trying 91gr next time out(when more bullets arrive) and am expecting about 3350fps to 3370fps based on previous changes in the powder charge.It is amazing that this same rifle produces 3340fpswith 95gr of r-25 and 180gr ballistic points.A reduction of two grains still produced 100fps more velocity with the tsx's.With the other rifle a reduction of one grain produced a velocity increase of 60fps.It is amazing just how different two rifles can react to a change of bullet style.It looks as though one of the rifles will be using about three grains more powder but will also be producing 40fps to 50fps more than the other rifle.To add some insurance,I will also test both rifles in much warmer weather to be sure that no pressure signs are evident.

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I don't use a brush either.So I guessits just me or my rifle but seems like it takes more passes with CR10 to come cleanvs. nosler.

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It sounds like you have a barrel that may not be quite as smooth as mine.My barrels are a pac-nor and a gaillard and are not as prone to fouling as factory barrels.I give them a dozen passes or so with a patch soaked with sweets and no traces of fouling remain.

RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

Wow!
After hearing all of this, I'm going to try these in my 300 Win Mag on my Elk hunt this fall.
Just curious, can you buy factory loads with this amazing bullet?

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Yes, Federal Premiumoffers aBarnes TSX bullet. I believe in the 300wm it is 180 gr.

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How does the TSX perform in "standard" velocity calibers? Wouldn't mind trying them in my 7mm-08 but it seems like everyone is pushing them at "magnum" velocities. Would they expand enough at 7mm-08 velocities?

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Firstshot, I killed a big bull elk last year with my 7-08 140gr XLC. I did not recover the bullet, but it went thru both shoulders and dropped the bull where he stood. The exit hole was around 1.5" in diameter. Hope this helps.

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Buckshot

Thanks for the feedback. Do you think they will expand enough on whitetails?

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RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

Ive shot a couple ofwhitetails with them and to be honest they have way to much penetration for deer. One buck I shot (head on), the bullet went thru the onside shoulder passed all the way through the body cavity and then smashed the offside femur, ham and ended up just under the hide. Just a bit to much penetration fora deer load.

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I just returned home from my elk hunt.I took an mature elk using the 180gr tsx out of my 300ultramag.The shot was a little high and the bullet smashed through the spine and lodged under the hide.The bullet mushroomed perfectly to .800" and the retained weight was 160.4gr.The muzzle velocity was 3380fps and the range was 200 yards.

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Ok I have been sitting in the bushes reading this thread. My moose hunt got cancelled for reasons out of my control but I am now thinking I need to try these TSX bullets in my 7mm rem mag next year for moose. I was not overly impressed with Accubonds on my bull last fall. Which bullet would you use in the 7 mag for moose ?

RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

Terry I believe Federal just added the 7mm Rem Mag 160 TSX too their Premium Vital Shok line. That will drive a moose stem too stern and would be my pick for a "one bullet, one gun" proposition! Even if you wanted to reload, that exact bullet would be mighty tough to beat. The TSXs are so tough and out penetrate bullets weighing much more, you can drop back and enjoy higher velocities and better trajectories without giving up terminal performance. THAT is the beauty of these amazing bullets.

Good luck and I can assure you that you WONT be disappointed,
RA

RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

RedAllison,
I would be handloading so factory loadings don't matter. I was looking at the Barnes website and the new 150gr bullet has an amazing BC and my guess would likely outperform the 160 downrange in terms of trajectory. I would be tempted to use it on moose since they hold so much of thier weight.

RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

One thing about it Terry, EITHER of the weights would spell "lights out" for moose. I know when driven at extreme velocities (over 3500fps) the 150 TSX in a 30caliber will NOT stay in either a moose or an elk in most situations. The equal weight, smaller diameter 150/7mm should do the same. I suppose you can get em "warm" too about 3100-3200fps? That should be great. I wouldn't hesistate to use the 150 Lazerheads/TSXs from my Warbird on elk. They just out penetrate anything else out there.

Good luck,
RA

RE: Barnes TSX triple shock.
 

In the 7mmremmag,I would try the 140gr and 150gr tsx.With this bullet you don't need any more weight.

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RA,
I'm going to try the 150s. I just need to be quiet about it around my hunting buddies as I would be banished if they realized I was shooting a bullet less than 200 grains :D. Seriously though, I hunt with 2 other guys and we all carried .338 win mags for years. Hell I was the first to buy one and they served us well for many moose and many years. Problem is they all had muzzle brakes on them and I just got sick of wrecking my hearing and dropped down to a 7 mm rem mag. I have only killed 1 bull moose, 2 caribou and 2 antelope so far with it ( all 1 shot drop in your tracks shots ) but I am rapidly becoming very attached to that rifle. The reality is killing a moose is like shooting a log skidder in the tire, punch a hole through it and watch it deflate ! I now realize you don't need a huge bullet to rip through a moose, just a real good one.