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Old 08-31-2020, 10:15 AM
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Have the Democrats knocked a hole in the bottom of their boat and initiated a rapid sinking of their whole party?

The Democrats have really gotten their response to the violent rioting, looting, arson, and shooting wrong. And they have gotten it wrong for 2.5 months. They are trying now to blame it on Trump, but that isn't going to work. It is too transparent. Worse, they are continuing in many venues to enable and encourage the violence. They evidently haven't read the memo that NO ONE LIKES BURNING, LOOTING, and PHYSICAL ATTACKS!!!! I have seen where a number of Minnesota Democrat mayors have officially endorsed Donald Trump for president. They have painted themselves into a corner on this thing, and I don't see them getting out of it. Deflecting blame onto Trump isn't going to work -- it is just going to deepen their problem.

Here is one problem I believe I am seeing. Once the Democrat voter has the light turned on and sees the BS of his or her party leaders supporting and enabling anarchy, violence, looting, and arson . . . that isn't the only thing that is exposed by the light that got turned on. They start to see the lies and bias of the news media and lose trust and confidence in the news media. They start to see the manipulation of the COVID-19 problem. They start to see their leaders dragging them into a socialism that they do not want. They start to see the lies about Joe Biden being healthy. They start to see that Joe Biden has really not accomplished a damned thing in his life and has gotten a lot of things wrong. To summarize . . . when the light bulb goes on in the political world of the democrat voter it isn't JUST the abysmal approach to handling riots used by Democrat leaders that those democrat voters see.

At this point I think the presidential election is well sown up by Trump. And Democrats and Democrat sympathizers -- Antifa and BLM -- continue to give the Democrat brand a black eye and degrade their appeal and lift Trump up in the process. But it doesn't stop there. This is ALSO going to improve the election prospects of Republicans in the US house, in the US Senate, in state governorships, in state legislative campaigns. The WHOLE Democrat party has been tarred with this incompetent response to riots.

Am I reading the tea leaves right? What is your opinion.
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Old 08-31-2020, 11:02 AM
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These protests are all happening under the Trump Administration.

How's the economy right now?

What has trump done for you?
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Old 08-31-2020, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by salukipv1 View Post
These protests are all happening under the Trump Administration.

How's the economy right now?

What has trump done for you?
Ha! Ha! Ha! I didn't mention any 'protests,' silly person. What a weak sidestep that is. Riots. Arson. Looting. Violent assaults. Not protest. If it was just "protests" we wouldn't be having this conversation. Ya, you're drinking the Joe Biden Kool-Aid for sure. I noticed the Democrat mayors in Minnesota who came out and endorsed Trump are no longer drinking the Kool-Aid. The Democrat boat is sinking. OK. We know what Salukipv1 thinks. Other comments?
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Old 08-31-2020, 11:34 AM
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Him and Beau might be lovers , who knows a lot of them I think ( the ones that want to look and think for themselves ) the American ones , will see the light the rioters and fake protesters are mostly spoiled punks ex felons and future felons for the most part and IMO all need what the other two for in Kenosha but far as the light goes some will see just look at Leo Terrell powerful figure well known Black man has come out publicly to say hes voting for trump and had been a Democrat his whole life and has supported folks like Obama Binladen and they wanna blame Trump for the riots etc let him win and get that behind him and let em do what they r doing now and see how fast he stops that BS
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Old 08-31-2020, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by salukipv1 View Post
These protests are all happening under the Trump Administration.

How's the economy right now?

What has trump done for you?

Since you asked, considering what has been happening for the past 6 months or so the economy is pretty good and prior to the pandemic it was the best it has been in decades, certainly better than under the unfortunate sorry 8 years of Obama. What are the dummycrats doing, they are trying to give money away as fast as they can so the idiot democrats think they care and are helping them. They don't care and they are not helping. What they are doing is putting our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren in debt to make up for all the give aways. Anyone who thinks the democrats will do anything but continue to destroy this country if the idiot and the Marxist get elected is dumber than a box of rocks and cares not one whit about our Republic, or our Constitution which has been under assault since Obama the traitor was elected. Open your eyes and stop listening and watching the main stream media, they should all be in prison for sedition. The Lying democrats should be changed in the dictionary to one word!
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Old 08-31-2020, 03:00 PM
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Oldtimr kind of nailed this already but since you've asked...

Originally Posted by salukipv1 View Post
These protests are all happening under the Trump Administration.
President Trump is in office but had spoken out against the violence, protests and generalized anarchy from the beginning. President Trump also offered federal help to states and cities with these problems. In contrast, Biden met with some of the protesters and/or their supporters and tried to get their endorsement. After several months, Biden weakly said he opposes some of the violence but hasn't really condemned it. Biden also hasn't stated what he would do to prevent or reduce the violence. Interestingly, most of these violent protesters seem to view Biden as part of the problem. So far, these protests seem to be helping Trump and hurting Biden.

How's the economy right now?
The economy is surging ahead. The stock markets have regained everything they lost this spring due to corona virus issues and have surged ahead to new record levels. Just imagine how much more it will take off when everybody gets off house arrest (er, I mean shelter in place). Ahem...

What has trump done for you?
I like what he's done for the economy (stock market records, booming housing market, etc.). I like what he's done with the income tax laws. I like how he's honestly tried (and often succeeded) to fulfill as many of his campaign promises as he can. I like how he keeps trying to fulfill campaign promises when they get roadblocks from congress, the courts and the bureaucratic red tape. I like how he's cut a lot of red tape, deleted useless regulations and made America a better place to do business. I like how he's actually stood up for the working man with corporations, foreign countries and other people who think "those jobs are gone for good." I lie how he messes with so many libs' heads and does it successfully. I like how he wants to make things better for the average American instead of helping corporate interests like Biden is doing. i could go on but you get the idea.
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Old 08-31-2020, 07:12 PM
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The polls have Biden ahead. Let's watch and see what happens.
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Old 08-31-2020, 08:22 PM
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Ya better hope Trump wins regardless if you hate him or not if he loses you will reap your losses
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Old 09-01-2020, 05:16 AM
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I posted this thread to see what people thought about the effect of the riots being tolerated even encouraged by Democrats on the Democrat brand and on Biden's presidential chances more specifically. So far only salukpv1 has actually addressed that question. Oh well.

I am happy that gasoline prices are at a low level relative to the price average since about 2004. That is a way I benefit. I attribute that to Trump -- his reduction of regulations, his approval of the pipeline, his withdrawal from the Paris Agreement, and his general friendliness towards the oil and gas industry. I think it should be borne in mind that had Hillary Clinton been elected -- or another Democrat for that matter -- the situation of the oil and gas industry would have gotten worse than the already precarious position it was in in 2016. Said in other words, it would have gotten worse rather than getting better. This is significant. It effects not only private citizens in their costs fueling their vehicles and heating their homes, it also effects the general health of the economy. Modern economies -- including our information economy -- run on energy, plain and simple.


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Old 09-01-2020, 05:26 AM
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I am happy that Trump renegotiated NAFTA and that Trump withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). Because we have been ruled by career politicians and bureaucrats since Reagan was president, we have foolishly gotten into disadvantageous trade agreements. In those days we entered these agreements trusting to the words spoken and written, not taking into account how people lie and cheat on such agreements. We do not take into account how difficult and time consuming it is to get an independent court to fix things when they go awry. We assume our partners in such agreements will operate in good faith and will meet us half-way -- behaving in accord with Hesiod's model expressed as: "get good measure from a neighbour and give back as good, measure for measure, or better if you're able." (Hesiod "Works and Days" line 395-398) That's not how the EU treats the US. That's not how the Mexican's treat the US. That's not how South Korea treats the US. That's not how China treats the US. That kind of trust was foolishness. We ought to have negotiated better terms; we ought not have assumed these others would act in the accommodating neighbourly fashion described by Hesiod above. These other nations were our competitors, our adversaries. Trump has, to some extent, remediated these imbalances. He continues to remediate the astonishing imbalance with China.

I am happy AND these things no doubt accrue to my personal interest and that of most Americans in the improvements to our economy.

I would add another thought here. Trump has moved moderately in these negotiations, by and large. He has levied moderate tariffs on China. He talks VERY belligerently and VERY aggressively . . . but he moves moderately. The news media and many people do not get that. This is probably a negotiating tactic Trump has learned through his life as a realtor. Isn't this what you had to do in the school yard when you were in 5th grade? Talk tough to avoid getting harassed and ridiculed by the school yard bullies? Why the hell do people not see this when it is seen at an international level? It gets results. These others make concessions because they are concerned that Trump will be intransigent and put them in a worse position. Pretty shrewd, if you ask me. But the pansy ivy league graduates who never actually competed in business and spent their whole careers in the ivory towers of Washington DC do not understand these things.

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