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Valorius 05-29-2020 10:30 AM

Minn cop arrested moments ago
 
Charges pending/not yet announced.

Hopefully this prevents a repeat of hell night tonight. At this point though, the rioting/looting has a lot of momentum behind it. It may be too late.


CalHunter 05-29-2020 10:45 AM

I read a short article in Minneapolis that said only the 1 officer was arrested. Do you have any more details?

Valorius 05-29-2020 11:13 AM

So far as I have seen it is just the one cop that was arrested. Here's a video from fox news that was posted 6 minutes ago:


This is all I know.

The talking head in the video praised the DA for acting quickly but I'll tell you, I think they acted super slow on all this. Normally I'm a "wait for the investigation" type of a guy, but when it's on video...I feel like he should've been arrested about 5 minutes after the DA saw that video.

Valorius 05-29-2020 11:28 AM

My wife is hollering "Murder 3 and manslaughter" out the window to me. I'm surprised there aren't more tack on charges like reckless endangerment, official misconduct, etc.


Valorius 05-29-2020 11:53 AM

Press conference from local Minn DA:


Tid bits: Investigations ongoing into other officers and charges anticipated. DA claims this is the fastest they have ever charged a cop. DA stated these are the exact same charges that were leveled against the Minneapolis cop that shot a woman in her pajamas from his squad car after she called the police to report a rape. (he was convicted and got 12 years in prison). In that case the cop was black and the woman white, if that matters to anyone.

CalHunter 05-29-2020 11:56 AM

A lot of times there are more charges, such as a hate crime, etc. Normally, the prosecutor files the rest of the charges which can be different from the arrest charges. In this case, I would expect more charges to be filed and probably more arrests as well.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 12:22 PM

Murder 3, manslaughter.
..they will need more than the national guard to save the city over the next few nights especially if it ends up on the manslaughter as a final charge.

Valorius 05-29-2020 12:39 PM

@Champlain - That's why I was surprised there were not more tack on charges. It would probably cool the jets of the wolves. Those lesser charges are also usually much easier to get convictions on if the murder rap somehow fails to stick. Reckless endangerment is an absolute given.

I expect federal charges to follow too.

flags 05-29-2020 12:43 PM

I am curious is anyone is going to hold the mayor and police chief responsible in any way? This cop had more than 10 previous complaints for excessive force. Seems to me that some sort of action should have been taken before this. Note I don't excuse the cop for his actions but why was he allowed to remain on the force with all those complaints?

Valorius 05-29-2020 12:50 PM

I think everyone involved is responsible. Including Amy Klobochar, who was the DA there. This probably officially sinks her chance at the VP nod by Biden, which she was probably going to get before this happened. Good news for the Witch from Michigan, I guess.

On another note, I have seen several internet commentators state that the Cop who killed the victim used to work with the victim. Which if true is very odd.

Finally, the charging document is now online. My wife showed it to me on twitter.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 12:50 PM

Manslaughter could get a lengthy prison term or a slap on the wrist with probation. Generally as a trial goes ahead in order to get a conviction agreements are levied which reduces sentencing. This will end up taking a long time and unfortunately there will be bail and a general feeling of a fix in play. I understand it is the system but the public anxiety will continue to grow. I would not want to be in the twin cities over the short haul.

Valorius 05-29-2020 12:57 PM

I doubt the DA will agree to bail, but we'll see.

If you think these riots were bad, wait and see what happens if this guy gets a slap on the wrist. It will make the LA riots look like a picnic.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 01:03 PM

Manslaughter...no way they can deny bail. That cop wont be safe anywhere even in jail.

Valorius 05-29-2020 01:07 PM

They can put him in solitary. They did it to Paul Manafort for a hell of a lot less. In any case right now he's charged with Murder, so unless that somehow gets dropped, I do not see him getting bail.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 01:20 PM

You are probably right on the bail. I wonder what charges the other 3 will get. I saw another angle shot of the cop kneeling and behind the car there were 2 other cops holding him down.

flags 05-29-2020 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Champlain Islander (Post 4376528)
Manslaughter...no way they can deny bail. That cop wont be safe anywhere even in jail.

His arrest warrant is now posted online. He is facing 2 charges: Murder 3 and Manslaughter. Murder 3 could possibly prevent bail if they want to play hardball.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 01:31 PM

Chances are at least right now they will play hard ball just to save the city from being burned down. Tonight will get ugly especially since a huge crowd is forming in a protest. They better have cops and guardsmen on every corner tonight. I think I heard protests and rioting has spread to other cities too.

Valorius 05-29-2020 01:41 PM

If he gets bail everything will get ramped up to 11. And honestly I do not think an obvious and overt sociopathic murderer should ever get bail.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 01:49 PM

I watched that angle shot from the other side of the street. I wonder if the police car that they had him pinned down next to was running. His head was right under the exhaust. Carbon Monoxide poisoning is fatal and it happens fast.

Oldtimr 05-29-2020 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Champlain Islander (Post 4376537)
I watched that angle shot from the other side of the street. I wonder if the police car that they had him pinned down next to was running. His head was right under the exhaust. Carbon Monoxide poisoning is fatal and it happens fast.


You only die from carbon monoxide poisoning if you are in a confined space where the concentration of CO is high enough to kill someone.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 04:20 PM

Yeah but he wasnt getting much air as it was. Just a thought

sconnyhunter 05-29-2020 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by flags (Post 4376518)
I am curious is anyone is going to hold the mayor and police chief responsible in any way? This cop had more than 10 previous complaints for excessive force. Seems to me that some sort of action should have been taken before this. Note I don't excuse the cop for his actions but why was he allowed to remain on the force with all those complaints?

Democrats are NEVER held to account for their actions. Look at what Hillary has done. Or more recently, De Blasio and Cuomo.

BUT, NO, MN will not do anything to the mayor of Minneapolis or to Gov. Walz.

Valorius 05-29-2020 06:53 PM

Protests in multiple US cities ongoing, and the White house is on lock down after being surrounded by protestors.

Good job Minneapolis DA. Good job. This is your doing.

CalHunter 05-29-2020 06:54 PM

If the cop is being charged federally, he might end up with an additional charge of committing the crime under color of authority. It's a federal criminal section that definitely gets cops attention as it should.


TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Champlain Islander 05-30-2020 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Valorius (Post 4376525)
I doubt the DA will agree to bail, but we'll see.

If you think these riots were bad, wait and see what happens if this guy gets a slap on the wrist. It will make the LA riots look like a picnic.

Looks like they set a half million dollar bail. I don't know what that means. Does he need .5 mil to get out. Is there a percentage he posts then uses a bail bondsman?

Oldtimr 05-30-2020 06:20 AM

Usually it is 10% of the bond, but the judge can make it the entire amount if they want to.

Champlain Islander 05-30-2020 07:13 AM

That makes sence OT...thanks for the info.

Oldtimr 05-30-2020 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Valorius (Post 4376555)
Protests in multiple US cities ongoing, and the White house is on lock down after being surrounded by protestors.

Good job Minneapolis DA. Good job. This is your doing.


Yeah, the natives are getting restless in Lancaster, they are going to protest in front of the Police station. They have no dog in the MN fight but protesting is what they do best. If they worked as hard as they protest they wouldn't be living in the conditions they are in. I would just once when the minorities are complaining and want more money for laying around and pumping out kids instead of working, have a politician tell them if they really want to see why they are in the position they are in, look in the mirror!

CalHunter 05-30-2020 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Champlain Islander (Post 4376580)
Looks like they set a half million dollar bail. I don't know what that means. Does he need .5 mil to get out. Is there a percentage he posts then uses a bail bondsman?

It can be slightly misleading. The actual bail that must be posted is a 1/2 Million $. if a person or their family posts their bail, they have to put up a 1/2 Million $. Since most people don't have that kind of money lying around in their bank account, they go to a bail bondsman. The bondsman typically charges them 10% although some charge a bit lower. The bondsman will want that 10% ($50,000) up front or in some sort of signed over collateral (usually a house). That $50,000 is non-refundable and is the bail bondsman's price for putting up the 1/2 Million $ bail. Think of it as very expensive rent on a 1/2 Million $. Even if the cop were to have all charges dismissed (absolutely zero chance of that happening), he or his family is still out the $50,000. So if you're truly innocent, it's much cheaper to sit it out in custody until they release you. If you're guilty, then you're just spending 1/2 Million $ for temporary freedom while you flee until they catch you. then you go back to jail a lot poorer and usually no family or friends will be dumb enough to bail you out the 2nd time. As some people might say, that's criminal math. :D

Edit: I wasn't as clear as I could be above. The collateral required by a bail bondsman must equal the entire amount of bond post. In this case, $500,000. The bondsman still wants the $50,000 up front in cash or a check that doesn't bounce. Some bondsmen might take payments on the $50K but that is a risky business practice.

Champlain Islander 05-30-2020 10:21 AM

Interesting. I wonder how it would play out if the defense attorney called for an independent autopsy since the prosecution side did one and it came back as inconclusive as death resulting from asphyxiation. We all watched that cop kneeling on Floyd but all it would take to either have charges dropped or drastically reduced would be for an underlying medical condition to be cause of death. I watched as OJ was acquitted when it appeared he would be found guilty so in a trial anything is possible. OJ getting off didn't create the turmoil that a white cop killing a black man would produce if he were set free.

CalHunter 05-30-2020 10:51 AM

Defense can call for an autopsy. If the findings are similar, it wouldn't make a difference. If the findings are different in the 2nd autopsy, it could obviously make a difference. Regardless of what underlying medical conditions exist or don't, however, the cop is still stuck with video footage of him using what most agencies would call an unauthorized use of force tactic and failure to render appropriate and timely first aid when a restrained subject told him numerous times that he (the black guy) couldn't breathe. The cop's attorney(s) could argue that obviously the black guy was breathing if he was talking but that isn't the essential point--the black guy was having difficulty breathing and the cop failed to render any first aid and continued with the tactic that created that situation in the first place.

Bocajnala 05-30-2020 11:32 AM

I don't want to minimize what happened in this specific situation. And Cal, I don't know if you're experience is similar to mine as I know you've been off the road for a while... But "I can't breathe" has become a very popular phrase and I hear it fairly often.

It's not just a t-shirt that people wear. It's also something they yell when being arrested or restrained.

Again- I'm not defending the officer in this specific instance. But if I stopped doing my job every time somebody said "I can't breathe" or every time a bystander said "they said they can't breathe!" I'd get nothing done.

The "protests" hit my area today. So far nothing more than thrown water bottles and some people climbing on City trucks blocking roads etc... But it's coming.

-Jake

Oldtimr 05-30-2020 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Bocajnala (Post 4376625)
I don't want to minimize what happened in this specific situation. And Cal, I don't know if you're experience is similar to mine as I know you've been off the road for a while... But "I can't breathe" has become a very popular phrase and I hear it fairly often.

It's not just a t-shirt that people wear. It's also something they yell when being arrested or restrained.

Again- I'm not defending the officer in this specific instance. But if I stopped doing my job every time somebody said "I can't breathe" or every time a bystander said "they said they can't breathe!" I'd get nothing done.

The "protests" hit my area today. So far nothing more than thrown water bottles and some people climbing on City trucks blocking roads etc... But it's coming.

-Jake

Absolutely, common for a suspect in custody being placed under control to say they can't breath. If they are talking they are breathing. Many times they are putting on a show for bystanders and wittnesses.

Valorius 05-30-2020 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bocajnala (Post 4376625)
I don't want to minimize what happened in this specific situation. And Cal, I don't know if you're experience is similar to mine as I know you've been off the road for a while... But "I can't breathe" has become a very popular phrase and I hear it fairly often.

It's not just a t-shirt that people wear. It's also something they yell when being arrested or restrained.

Again- I'm not defending the officer in this specific instance. But if I stopped doing my job every time somebody said "I can't breathe" or every time a bystander said "they said they can't breathe!" I'd get nothing done.

The "protests" hit my area today. So far nothing more than thrown water bottles and some people climbing on City trucks blocking roads etc... But it's coming.

-Jake

Perhaps it is worth considering that the types of restraints and techniques you are being taught make it very hard to breathe (which would not surprise me, as I have a generally extremely dim view of modern police procedures and polices in this country)

It is also worth noting that modern Americans are generally in terrible shape, so it is not exactly a shock that most of them have a hard time breathing in traumatic situations with someone sitting or kneeling on them.

Finally, you can kill someone by compressing their carotid while kneeling on their neck, even if they can breathe.

Valorius 05-30-2020 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Oldtimr (Post 4376629)
Absolutely, common for a suspect in custody being placed under control to say they can't breath. If they are talking they are breathing. Many times they are putting on a show for bystanders and wittnesses.

The Gentleman that was murdered in Minn was talking the whole time he was being slowly murdered by the cop that was choking the life out of him with his knee. As I pointed out above, you can cut off blood flow via the carotid artery by kneeling on someone's throat- in which case they would still be able to talk as they were dying.

Oldtimr 05-30-2020 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Valorius (Post 4376632)
The Gentleman that was murdered in Minn was talking the whole time he was being slowly murdered by the cop that was choking the life out of him with his knee. As I pointed out above, you can cut off blood flow via the carotid artery by kneeling on someone's throat- in which case they would still be able to talk as they were dying.

You put pressure on the side of the neck to pinch off the carotid artery not on the back of the neck. Quite frankly I watched the video and if you look closely you will see that the officer's knee was on the head and shoulders of the suspect as well as the neck so you do not know how much pressure was on the neck. I am not ready to call it murder because all of the facts are no yet in.

Valorius 05-30-2020 12:24 PM

Floyd's head was turned to the side, so it is the carotid that was being pressed against the pavement.

The facts are in, they are utterly incontrovertible. This was murder. Full stop.

CalHunter 05-30-2020 02:37 PM

Mmmm. I wouldn't call it murder Valorius. That presumes Officer Chauvin pre-planned to kill George Floyd. So far, I haven't seen anything to indicate that was the case. You could argue about what level or degree of manslaughter occurred which is an unlawful killing of another human being. But a murder charge isn't supported by any of the evidence I've seen or read. Apparently the DA agrees with that based on the complaint filed which charges Officer Chauvin with manslaughter.

Oldtimr 05-30-2020 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Valorius (Post 4376642)
Floyd's head was turned to the side, so it is the carotid that was being pressed against the pavement.

The facts are in, they are utterly incontrovertible. This was murder. Full stop.


Look at the video, the knee was on the suspects back and on head which pretty much relieves most of the pressure on the neck. Open your eyes and stop making premature judgement. You are seeing what you want to see.

Champlain Islander 05-30-2020 02:55 PM

Regardless of a video the defense can bring in their own experts and hire crackerjack lawyers to create a reasonable doubt as to whether the cop used excessive force or had a callous disregard for life. Watching the OJ trial taught me that when someones case is put forth for a jury of their peers anything can happen. If the cop ends up walking it will be a war that makes the Rodney King period look like Disneyland.


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