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rogerstv 05-28-2020 10:20 AM

Minneapolis Mayor
 
In a recent press conference, Minneapolis Mayor just excused rioting due to 400 years of pent up anger. Imagine that !!

I believe the cop should immediately be charged with murder. But, the looting is nothing more than people taking advantage of the situation. I watched the video expecting someone to shoot in the head the officer that stood there with his back to the situation. Civil war may not be too far away starting with blacks against cops.

Valorius 05-28-2020 11:30 AM

All the probable cause needed for a felony murder arrest is in the video. The authorities bring this crap on themselves when they "conduct an investigation" which we as citizens would never get the benefit of. Arrest the guy already, and none of these riots happen to begin with.

If you get a chance, watch the raw unedited video. It's very disturbing.

rogerstv 05-28-2020 12:09 PM

I have seen it. In my perfect world, I would have arrested the kneeling cop by now.

Valorius 05-28-2020 12:51 PM

We all know if it was one of us they'd have arrested us already.

A very popular mindset in cops and DA's is "I'll arrest him and let the judge sort it out."

If only some animals were not more equal than others. What a world that would be.

Champlain Islander 05-28-2020 01:57 PM

This will be the third night of rioting and most probably the worst. My guess is they will arrest all 4 cops soon. Any delay means the civil unrest will ratchet up to something that will be hard to control.

flags 05-28-2020 02:23 PM

I read an article a few minutes ago that stated the police officer that was photographed with his knee on the guy's neck has had 10 previous complaints filed against him for excessive force. The question every thinking person should be asking is: Why did the DEM mayor allow this police officer to remain on the force? And another thing that needs to be pointed out to the LIBs is that all 10 of those previous complaints predated Trump's election.

Valorius 05-28-2020 02:23 PM

The other 3 are debatable, and no one would be rioting if the cop who murdered the man and who literally should have been arrested on the scene was in jail already.

CalHunter 05-28-2020 02:30 PM

Do you have a link to the video?

Valorius 05-28-2020 02:35 PM

Liveleak.com is usually the best source for raw unfiltered videos:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sSeWL_1590561430

Champlain Islander 05-28-2020 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Valorius (Post 4376444)
The other 3 are debatable, and no one would be rioting if the cop who murdered the man and who literally should have been arrested on the scene was in jail already.

The other 3 are part of it because they stood by and didn't intervene. They will all be charged with some sort of murder charge. The knee guy should get the stiffest charge and the others secondary. I imagine their union is working overtime trying to grease the skids on dropping all charges.

CalHunter 05-28-2020 04:06 PM

Thanks for the link Valorius. I watched the entire video (10+) minutes and noticed several things. Wow!! I have a lot of observations and thoughts here.

At the beginning of the video, it looked like black guy on the ground was handcuffed due to his shoulder position and the fact that he wasn't moving his arms at all. The cop on top of him didn't look like he was using his hands to restrain him, just his (the cop's) left knee on the black guy's neck. I couldn't see the cop's right knee since it was behind the police SUV. That isn't how you're supposed to do this. From training over 20 years ago, we were taught NOT to put a knee on a suspect's neck due to the danger of harm such as this, paralyzing a person, messing up any neck cages, rendering them unconscious with the carotid nerves, etc. You can achieve almost as much control by having your knee over the back or in the middle of the back if necessary. Another danger with this kind of control hold for want of a better term is that you are putting lots of pressure on the restrained person's chest which can exacerbate any lung, heart or other medical problems. They teach you not to use all of your weight like this cop appeared to be doing and that it is a temporary position until you gain control, not something that lasts 10+ minutes long like in this video.

The cop made some kind of comment about the black guy not going into the cop car so I assume there was some kind of struggle which led to the black guy laying on the ground for control. The black guy on the ground kept saying he couldn't breathe. Sometimes people lie about stuff like that but as a cop, you still have to make sure they're okay. The cop on top of him didn't do that. At one point, the cop on top actually put his hands (both of them) in his pockets which indicates that he wasn't that concerned about being assaulted at that particular moment. That's going to haunt him when this goes to trial.

I don't know if all 4 cops were there for the entire incident or just at the end. With 4 cops, they had enough to lift the black guy up, hogtie him and place him in the cop car while having at least 1 cop handle the onlookers for safety. There was a black guy on the sidewalk who may or may not have been filming this incident with his cell phone. Yes, the black bystander did call the cop a bum but he also made a lot of good points about getting the black guy off the ground, an apparent lack of breathing and other medical observations that the cop should have paid attention to. There was some lady filming with a cell phone also but she was being a bit of a witch with a B and not really helping, just clustering the whole scene up. Idiots like that always seem to delay giving people proper medical care instead of helping them.

The 2nd cop who was obviously the cover officer assigned to deal with the onlookers for officer safety should have said something about getting the black guy off the pavement as he kept looking back at the black guy on the ground and would have been able to see the developing problems. When the medics arrived, 1 of them immediately checked the black guy for a pulse. I'm wondering how strong or weak the black guy's pulse was at the time. Almost every medic I've called to a scene in Patrol would have immediately wanted to get the black guy upright and further assess him. Again, I don't know what the medic felt on the black guy's pulse or observed with his breathing, etc.

The other 2 cops weren't in the video until it was almost over but I'm guessing they must have been on scene for much of the time since they were fired also. I don't know all of the story but from what I saw, I think the cop with his knee on the black guy's neck is toast and will do either jail or prison time (yes, there's a difference). The cover officer will probably end up doing some time also. Their careers are over for both of them. I don't know a lot about the other 2 cops since they weren't in the video much but am assuming they are not likely to get their jobs back.

I've seen some still shots of the rioters and have zero sympathy for them. They are arsonist, looters and basically scum. Yes, they may be mad about what 4 cops did but they're taking it out on somebody else. I doubt any of them will get arrested, much less prosecuted but they deserve it.

Valorius 05-28-2020 04:53 PM

@Cal: The on scene medic has come out since and said there was no pulse the moment he checked for it. I don't have a link but it should be very easy to find online.

Apparently video leading up to the original video you just saw came out today. I have not seen it yet either. My wife has been following this very closely. Apparently what led up to all this is that a local store run by Arabs called the cops over a bad $20 bill. She said as a result a lot of Arab stores have been getting targeted in all the looting, etc.

What is ail? Do you mean Jail, or is that an acronym of some sort?

<--- Does not like looters. At all.

Champlain Islander 05-28-2020 05:06 PM

I don't like looters but do like hooters. LOl

sconnyhunter 05-28-2020 07:22 PM

I had the distinct displeasure of being in that particular shift show this afternoon. It was horrific.
It was eerily similar to scenes from war movies. But with spectators.

There was a partially built apartment building that the goons burned down.
A Target store that was looted, then burned.
At least 3 auto parts stores (1-Autozone and 2-Orielly's stores) that were looted and burned. Bricks, were thrown from nearby bridges onto the interstate below. One person was killed last night, in the rioting and looting. This is what we get with LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE leadership. Animals, acting like animals.
Under the guise of "Justice".

And now it has spread to nearby St Paul.

Some of my customers needed me to get there as early as possible, since they were closing early.
One as early as 8 hours before their regular close time.

All to keep their people from being caught in the terror and destruction.

Valorius 05-28-2020 07:34 PM

I blame the DA. And as of this moment, that murderer still has not been arrested. I guess we get another night of riots while the DA fiddles.


sconnyhunter 05-29-2020 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by Valorius (Post 4376470)
I blame the DA. And as of this moment, that murderer still has not been arrested. I guess we get another night of riots while the DA fiddles.

We get another night of riots, because the animals that live there are being pushed into this by outside actors. And they're going along with it, because its largely anonymous right now.

The race baters are in town now too. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, making things worse than need be.

The DA, will bring charges when necessary, but the race baiting animals are goign to burn the zoo down. Until they are shot or arrested, themselves.

This just makes me very happy that I don't live in MN anymore.

Oldtimr 05-29-2020 04:30 AM

There was also rioting in Kentucky last night and people were killed. It has been a while since the clowns went shopping with bricks and matches. Perhaps it will shine some light on things many of us saw all too often for those who never saw rioting, burning and looting as not uncommon. They need to go into those riots with ma duce strapped on an armored vehicle and give a few bursts. That would stop them, they know no one will put them down until it happens. I suspect many of those animals are only rioting to riot and not for any cause .

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 04:37 AM

Hard to believe no action from the DA. Last nights riots got really ugly
3 police precincts were burned. They better get control today because it will get more out control.

Valorius 05-29-2020 05:25 AM

Look at this gem of a comment from the DA:

"My job in the end is to prove he violated a criminal statute. And there is other evidence that does not support a criminal charge. We need to wade through all of that evidence and come to a meaningful decision and we are doing that to the best of our ability."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/mi...day/index.html

This DA is on crack cocaine.

All of this could have been averted if the cop was arrested immediately. The video speaks for itself. Any one of us- any of us- would've been arrested the moment the cops got that video. All they have to do to stop this is arrest the cop.

Coming out with statements that there is exonerating evidence? (even though they later backtracked) Are they out of their motherloving minds?

PS: A large part of this violence is from Antifa/Black Bloq.

Valorius 05-29-2020 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by sconnyhunter (Post 4376479)
We get another night of riots, because the animals that live there are being pushed into this by outside actors. And they're going along with it, because its largely anonymous right now.

The race baters are in town now too. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, making things worse than need be.

The DA, will bring charges when necessary, but the race baiting animals are goign to burn the zoo down. Until they are shot or arrested, themselves.

This just makes me very happy that I don't live in MN anymore.

Charges were necessary the second that video was released. This is self inflicted damage.

They are no longer "Race baiters" when a cop murders a non resisting, handcuffed, proned out citizen in broad daylight, all the while the cop has his hands in his pockets and a smirk on his face. A man was murdered in broad daylight, a jack boot all but literally stamped down on his throat.

Race is irrelevant. Could've been any one of us.

Meanwhile the DA is talking about "there is evidence that does not support criminal charges."

BTW: This minneapolis mayor looks like a literal low rent version of Justin Trudeau. He even acts like him- which is to say he comes across as a snivelly beotch.

Alsatian 05-29-2020 07:49 AM

With reference to things getting out of hand in Minneapolis:

"Because men are so foolish in Florence [substitute the United States], it happens all too frequently that no attempt is made to punish those who have caused upheavals. Instead, every effort is made to grant them impunity, so long as they put down their arms and desist. This sort of thing hardly serves to repress the insolent; on the contrary, it turns lambs into lions." Francesco Guicciardini, Ricordo 177 of Series C of "Maxims and Reflections." Guicciardini was a 16th century Florentine diplomat who began his career as a lawyer.

Why can this be so clearly understood 500 years ago but we so much more scientific and learned moderns do not know this? On what foolish theory is it OK to tolerate this crap? How many totally unrelated deaths, how much unnecessary property damage needs to happen before the law enforcement -- or the national guard, I am not particular what species of government force is applied to maintain order -- compels people to act right?

I imagine the explanation is some politician doesn't want to potentially damage his electability -- the politician is more concerned about his own political self-interest than in the interests of his community.

Valorius 05-29-2020 09:30 AM

The upheaval was caused by the cop who murdered a citizen in broad daylight and the DA who refuses to charge him.

Everything since is just wolves doing what wolves do.

It will end as soon as the cop is behind bars. But yet, still no charges, still no arrest. Rome burns as the DA fiddles, quite literally.

Totally self inflicted.

CalHunter 05-29-2020 10:30 AM

^^^ I agree with all of this except an arrest ending it. Wolves will be wolves until somebody stops them, i.e. starts arresting them. And I don't think that will happen under the present circumstances.

Valorius 05-29-2020 10:31 AM

Yeah I fear too much momentum has been worked up for this to just stop. This is a very ugly and almost entirely self inflicted situation.

CalHunter 05-29-2020 10:46 AM

Ditto!! Sad state of affairs and it was most likely avoidable (autopsy results might say otherwise).

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 12:24 PM

I think the autopsy came back as not conclusive he died by asphyxiation from a neck compression. Coroner said man being cuffed and a level of intoxication could have contributed. They just threw gas on the fire. I just saw on CNN that a huge protest is forming. It looked like tens of thousands of people on a bridge.

Oldtimr 05-29-2020 01:50 PM

There is such a thing as positional asphyxiation, that is why you lay a handcuffed person on their side and not on their stomach.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Oldtimr (Post 4376538)
There is such a thing as positional asphyxiation, that is why you lay a handcuffed person on their side and not on their stomach.

I posted on another thread that the guys head was under the police car's exhaust. I wonder if the cop car was running. I am not sure what the policy is but I often see police cars still running when parked.

Oldtimr 05-29-2020 05:11 PM

With the pollution controls in gasoline today death by CO poisoning pretty much a thing of the past with exhaust fumes.

CalHunter 05-29-2020 07:01 PM

CI, I was curious if the black guy had any other medical conditions which also could have been aggravated by both the apparent struggle before he was handcuffed and being on his chest with a knee to his neck. And OT is correct about positional asphyxiation.

Champlain Islander 05-29-2020 09:10 PM

Think he had high blood pressure with some associated heart condition...just like many people his age. I dont think anything came out on the autopsy though.

Lunkerdog 05-29-2020 10:10 PM

Umm... At this point I think we can rule out pr-existing conditions... The man was murdered... Period...

CalHunter 05-29-2020 11:37 PM

If that's pointed at me, that's misstating what I intended. If it was aimed at somebody else, disregard. But to explain where I was going with that for GP purposes in the discussion, here's more detail.

If a person has a pre-existing condition, they are more at risk for dying if they get into some kind of struggle or altercation. You or I might not have had as much problem breathing since we don't have high blood pressure and a heart condition. It might have meant the difference in us not dying under same/similar circumstances. The pre-existing conditions wouldn't excuse the cop's poor decision to use a dangerous maneuver like that. What the pre-existing condition(s) would mean is that cops everywhere need to be even more careful because a maneuver they might not think will cause somebody to die can because it's added on top of a pre-existing condition that they wouldn't likely have known about. In essence, a pre-existing condition makes such a police maneuver even more dangerous. In this case, it killed a man. And was entirely avoidable.

It's stuff like this that an autopsy brings out and people who study police use of force issues pay close attention to. So to recap, any pre-existing conditions won't excuse the cop's behavior and won't get him out of any charges. He's still toast. But cops will hear about this case in training and you can bet that pre-existing medical conditions will come up from any autopsy report.

C. Davis 05-29-2020 11:59 PM

I getting tired of all these blue states stinking up the place.

C. Davis

Lunkerdog 05-30-2020 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by C. Davis (Post 4376572)
I getting tired of all these blue states stinking up the place.

C. Davis

I guess that the police murdering Black people is still okay in Texas... No need to worry about rioters... Right? (Pun indented)

C. Davis 05-30-2020 01:23 AM


Originally Posted by Lunkerdog (Post 4376573)
I guess that the police murdering Black people is still okay in Texas... No need to worry about rioters... Right? (Pun indented)

No, it isn't, and it didn't happen in Texas.
Minnesota is supposed to be very "progressive." This isn't supposed to happen in the only State that was too smart to vote for Reagan.
Now, the politics in Minneapolis let the obvious murder of a black man stew since Monday until their well cared for, liberally represented citizens are looting and burning down their city, and they have sparked the same carnage across many of other Democrat districts across the whole country. Although, I will say the protests in Dallas and Houston were much more tame.

Couple this with Cuomo in New York letting NYC become a Covid embarrassment (he just doesn't know it), and many other blue states holding on to the Covid virus like a security blanket, and it is starting to cause nausea to more sensible people in the country who know these are crises they will not let go to waste in the mother of all election years.

C. Davis

Champlain Islander 05-30-2020 02:57 AM

I think it happens all over the country. All it takes is one cop using poor judgement. Many got swept under the rug in years past but now the media is looking for the story and it goes national news no matter where it happens. I will point out that there often is a percentage disparity between races when it comes to crime.

CalHunter 05-30-2020 08:41 AM

Videos do make for compelling news stories. Lunker, are you still ruling out pre-existing conditions. I guess your autopsies would be pretty quick. :D

Oldtimr 05-30-2020 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Champlain Islander (Post 4376577)
I think it happens all over the country. All it takes is one cop using poor judgement. Many got swept under the rug in years past but now the media is looking for the story and it goes national news no matter where it happens. I will point out that there often is a percentage disparity between races when it comes to crime.

You can't blame what is happening all over the country right now on a cop or several cops exercising poor judgement. The trash that are rioting, burning and looting were always those people and they were just looking for an excuse to behave like the uncivilized animals they were before the death in MN and they will be uncivilized trash when this is over. This trash is sure no one will order the guns to be turned on them, they know they will be free to do whatever they want because the government is afraid of what they will do if they drop the hammer on some of them. It is decades past time to take out the trash, it is stinking up the country. These idiots burn down their own neighborhoods chanting "no justice no peace"! That knife cuts in both directions, if they want peace, give them permanent peace. Once some of them assume room temperature the rest will scuttle away back into their holes like rats and cock roaches always do when the light comes on. Time to show them the light. C I, not often, but always a disparity between races in committing crime!

Champlain Islander 05-30-2020 10:01 AM

I hear you. The racial issue goes both ways. Yes there are whites that look down on blacks and then there are blacks that through their own choices deserve the reputation they have. The gangs, drugs and murders are at epidemic levels especially in the large inner cities. Vermont has less than a 2 percent black population but especially in Burlington when you see the evening news on a drug bust or murder the suspects race can more often be predicted than not. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of really good hard working people of color here in the Green Mountain State but the criminal element often slides up here from NYC or Boston to work their crime careers. I think they believe our cops are all Barney Fifes.


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