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05-30-2020, 10:18 AM
#41
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The headline kind of says it all but I included a link so people can read it if they choose.
George Floyd autopsy shows no signs of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, attributes death to 'being restrained, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-fl...123131555.html
05-30-2020, 10:42 AM
#42
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Doesn't matter in the slightest bit now. The ball is rolling. If anything this will only make things worse.
Of course one has to ask- A) were there any intoxicants in his system? What does B) death due to 'being restrained' even mean? Does that mean well yeah he died cause a cop had his knee on his neck for 7 minutes? In which case we are back to square one.
It's also worth pointing out coroners work with cops every day, and a lot of people would probably tell you that they are not exactly impartial.
Of course one has to ask- A) were there any intoxicants in his system? What does B) death due to 'being restrained' even mean? Does that mean well yeah he died cause a cop had his knee on his neck for 7 minutes? In which case we are back to square one.
It's also worth pointing out coroners work with cops every day, and a lot of people would probably tell you that they are not exactly impartial.
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05-30-2020, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Valorius
Doesn't matter in the slightest bit now. The ball is rolling. If anything this will only make things worse.
Of course one has to ask- A) were there any intoxicants in his system? What does B) death due to 'being restrained' even mean? Does that mean well yeah he died cause a cop had his knee on his neck for 7 minutes? In which case we are back to square one.
It's also worth pointing out coroners work with cops every day, and a lot of people would probably tell you that they are not exactly impartial.
Of course one has to ask- A) were there any intoxicants in his system? What does B) death due to 'being restrained' even mean? Does that mean well yeah he died cause a cop had his knee on his neck for 7 minutes? In which case we are back to square one.
It's also worth pointing out coroners work with cops every day, and a lot of people would probably tell you that they are not exactly impartial.
05-30-2020, 11:08 AM
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What I am saying if the medical examiner determines that it was not the officer's fault that the miscreant died and there was an underlying cause that made him die he should not be prosecuted. No one knows how much pressure was put on the suspects neck, the knee could have been putting light pressure or was just preventing him from raising his head in order to keep him from thrashing around. I am also saying we do not prosecute people in America because one segment of society riots and commits arson if a prosecution does not ensue. It is entirely possible after the medical report on the tests they are waiting for reports from a lab come back they will show that the guy had a drug in his system that caused him to expire . There is a lot pf premature judgement going on here. Why don't we wait to hang the defendant until after he had been proven guilty. Simply seeing a video which only shows what you can see is not proof the officer acted criminally.
05-30-2020, 12:20 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by CalHunter
I'm not claiming this headline or story vindicates or absolves the cop of blame. I'm just saying the story reinforces why cops should not use this tactic.
05-30-2020, 12:21 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Oldtimr
I hope you are not insinuating that the guy should still be prosecuted even if he was not directly responsible for the guy's death! We do not prosecute people simply because the riff raff wants them prosecuted under threat of arson.
Clear video evidence trumps all, and unlike human beings, is completely impartial.
05-30-2020, 12:22 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Oldtimr
What I am saying if the medical examiner determines that it was not the officer's fault that the miscreant died and there was an underlying cause that made him die he should not be prosecuted. No one knows how much pressure was put on the suspects neck, the knee could have been putting light pressure or was just preventing him from raising his head in order to keep him from thrashing around. I am also saying we do not prosecute people in America because one segment of society riots and commits arson if a prosecution does not ensue. It is entirely possible after the medical report on the tests they are waiting for reports from a lab come back they will show that the guy had a drug in his system that caused him to expire . There is a lot pf premature judgement going on here. Why don't we wait to hang the defendant until after he had been proven guilty. Simply seeing a video which only shows what you can see is not proof the officer acted criminally.
The cop killed George Floyd. The video evidence is incontrovertible.
05-30-2020, 12:56 PM
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You're all over the place V. Look up the definition of miscreant. He absolutely fits the definition.
You're also saying "it doesn't matter why he died. The cop did it." Which again is ignoring facts- even though you're presenting it as a fact.
The facts matter. The officer was in the wrong. Both those things are true.
But you can't definitively say the officer killed him. You simply can't. Not yet at least. By video- it certainly does appear that way.
Well you can state that... And probably will. But you would be wrong.
-Jake
You're also saying "it doesn't matter why he died. The cop did it." Which again is ignoring facts- even though you're presenting it as a fact.
The facts matter. The officer was in the wrong. Both those things are true.
But you can't definitively say the officer killed him. You simply can't. Not yet at least. By video- it certainly does appear that way.
Well you can state that... And probably will. But you would be wrong.
-Jake
