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Old 04-20-2020, 10:31 AM
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NeverTrump 2020: Useless Conservatives Try One More Time

Posted by: admin in Politics April 16, 2020

Apparently laboring under the mistaken belief that they will fare better this time around than they did the last time, a collection of NeverTrump conservatives have formed a group that will attempt to keep President Donald Trump from winning re-election in November. In a Washington Post op-ed, prominent Trump haters George Conway, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson, calling themselves the Lincoln Project, said that while they had “never voted for a Democrat” before this year, they would do so in 2020 if it meant stopping Trump.

Kicking things off on a catastrophic note, the authors write:
This November, Americans will cast their most consequential votes since Abraham Lincoln’s reelection in 1864. We confront a constellation of crises: a public health emergency not seen in a century, an economic collapse set to rival the Great Depression, and a world where American leadership is absent and dangers rise in the vacuum.

Today, the United States is beset with a president who was unprepared for the burden of the presidency and who has made plain his deficits in leadership, management, intelligence and morality.

When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.
While we’re not sure that the efforts of Conway, et al, would have made the slightest bit of difference this year in any case, this motley crew might have been somewhat more convincing if they hadn’t spent the last four years plastering their opinions all over the media (social and otherwise). Conway, Schmidt, Weaver, and Wilson have been blasting Trump without cessation on cable news, Facebook, Twitter, and in the very pages of the newspaper that published this op-ed. Their support of Biden is hardly a surprise.

We can’t envision a single Republican-leaning voter who would be persuaded by this article to defect in November.

At least when we saw the first round of NeverTrumpers in 2016, there was some plausibility to their claim of conservatism. Bill Kristol, the editors of National Review, Mitt Romney, and others may have worn out their welcome in a hurry, but their criticism of Trump at least came as a (mild) surprise.

But these guys? They pretty much became Democrats on the day Trump was elected, if not before. How one can even take them seriously as conservatives is beyond us. They are of the same mold as Jennifer Rubin, Ana Navarro, Nicolle Wallace, and Michael Steele. They haven’t said one cross word about the Democratic Party in four solid years. Their entire ideology is boiled down to hating Donald Trump.

As it turned out, there was little appetite for NeverTrump conservatism in 2016. Standing here in 2020, after four enormously successful years of a Trump presidency, that appetite has shrunk to microscopic levels. We’re sure that WaPo-reading Democrats appreciate The Lincoln Project, but it’s not going to give Joe Biden a single extra vote.
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Old 04-20-2020, 11:25 AM
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Never Trumper "Republicans" are almost exclusively members of the corporate war industrial uni party.

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Old 04-20-2020, 03:41 PM
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RINO (republican in name only) is real. Idiots.
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:29 PM
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You gotta be kidding me. What a bunch of morons ! As they always say just " Follow The Money "

Im sure if each of their finances were investigated , you would find ties to either China or George Soros.

Soros is now being investigated for funding Anti Brexit Pacs in England and has funded every Anti Trump politicial in the USA.

Not to mention funding the caravans from South America to the Mexican Border. Freakin Globalist .
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Old 04-21-2020, 07:22 AM
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Romney endorsed Biden !! Not really surprising.
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Old 04-21-2020, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rogerstv View Post
Romney endorsed Biden !! Not really surprising.
No it isn't surprising but in view of the vast partisan divide is shocking that he would say that.
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Old 04-22-2020, 04:20 AM
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Democrats for President Trump

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Old 04-22-2020, 04:38 AM
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With all this massive spending spree pushing the nation in the direction of socialism harder than any other time in our history, it's not going to matter in the end unfortunately. Trump has been rolled by the Democrats now.

We're facing hyper inflammation which will make the 80s look mild. The federal government when this is all over has taken and economy that's now less than 22trillion and will dilute the real money by 50%. In other words, we will have over 30 trillion dollars chasing 20 trillion of real value when things open back up.
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Old 04-22-2020, 05:22 AM
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I agree, our grandchildren and beyond are having their future spent it the government's zeal to look magnanimous. It is ridiculous. I suspect they are still looking around to see if there is anyone they left out.
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Old 04-22-2020, 06:48 AM
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A couple of posts on this thread are suggesting the large COVID-19 government bills that have been passed are conventional government spending. I would propose a different way of looking at them. They are obligations of the US government for mandating people forgo economic activity -- working, selling, manufacturing. They are at least partial compensation for "takings." If the government takes your property to run an Interstate highway through town they have to pay you for that. it is the legal theory of "takings." Ask yourself what the dollar value of the "takings" are in this case when government is taking away -- we hope temporarily -- the free economic activity of tens of millions -- if not hundreds of millions -- of people?

There may be some other spending in those bills. Like the money for the Kennedy Center. You can look at that stuff as the pork that always sneaks into these big spending bills. But if you look at the major chunks of spending in these bills, can they be viewed as compensation for "takings?" It seems to me that they can.

I'm not saying I like the big spending bills. I see the same risk as Fieldmouse and others have cited. This could result in bad inflation. I have thought that this could destroy the social security system and the Medicare system. But it is at least arguable it is not just undisciplined legislators pissing away money for the sake of pissing away money. It can be argued it is the necessary compensation for "takings."

People are kind of going along with all the government stuff during this COVID-19 crisis. It is definitely worth while keeping an eye on all this and questioning if what goes on makes sense. To put it succinctly: the cure must not be worse than the disease. How many people died in WW-II to preserve freedom? How many lives are we now unwilling to "sacrifice" in exchange for maintaining our freedom? To flip the analysis: to save how many lives are we willing to surrender our freedoms? Our freedom of assembly, our freedom of not being subject to unreasonable searches and seizures? We can't gather in groups. They are talking about having us carry papers around indicating we are immunized or have antibodies by virtue of having previously been infected and recovered. They are talking about location tracking people who have been in contact with a sick person. If we truly destroy our economy, does anyone believe we are going to return to the kind of decentralized capitalism that allowed individuals to succeed to the extent their talent, their hard work, and their luck can take them? No. It will be the economy of Elizabeth Warren and AOC. "You didn't make that WE made that! I've got some good things I can do with that money." Really, those people truly believe the French thinker Prudhomme's moto: "all property is theft."

So, if you don't like the "takings" payments by the US government, doesn't that urge getting over this economic shutdown?
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