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Old 01-27-2019, 04:16 PM
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big loss by Trump - he should have never owned the shutdown verbally and really, he shut 800,000 down for literally nothing
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:41 AM
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A couple of thoughts...not only were the essential workers who had to work receiving back pay but all workers affected by the shutdown will be paid. About half of the 800,000 workers will be paid for NOT working. Looking at this economically it seems like such a waste of taxpayer money and certainly a hardship to all the people who will get delayed pay checks. As the February 16 date comes closer just watch how that uncertainty affects the stock market. I believe we need enhanced border security since our border is so easily crossed by non citizens. We have lived with this situation for well over the last 200 years. It would seem to me that the need for our nations security should be a high priority for our elected officials but shutting down the government isn't the way to get it done. Quit the partisanship and get something meaningfully done. Earn your pay. Trump is used to bullying to get his agenda done. Trying to put a square peg in a round hole won't work no matter how much pushing you do. If he wants the wall so badly take half of his 10 Billion worth and buy it himself. He could even call it the "Trump Wall".

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Old 01-28-2019, 12:36 PM
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The contractors working for the Federal government that were affected by the shutdown, will not be payed back pay. Then there is the trickle-down effect, that rattles our whole economy, all because of the former Trump shutdown. I believe my home state of Maryland has 800,000 Federal workers.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Erno86 View Post
The contractors working for the Federal government that were affected by the shutdown, will not be payed back pay. Then there is the trickle-down effect, that rattles our whole economy, all because of the former Trump shutdown. I believe my home state of Maryland has 800,000 Federal workers.
so what who gives a crap about MD? They dug their own hole.

Don't you own me answers? I challenged your knowledge on the talking points you repeated. Please answer my questions unless you're a fraud.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:31 PM
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That might take a while. Even in this digital age, they only release new talking points about once a week.
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:25 AM
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Predictions for what will happen Feb 16th?
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Old 01-29-2019, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Champlain Islander View Post
Predictions for what will happen Feb 16th?
I'll just wait and see but it seems many on both sides ave already decided.
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Champlain Islander View Post
Predictions for what will happen Feb 16th?
Pelosi and Schumer are not going to give Trump anything for a wall, barrier, or anything else that remotely comes close to infrastructure being built to keep their voters out.

Trump will declare a national emergency.

Was watching the CNN townhall last night to see how Kamala Harris came off. She repeated what Pelosi has been saying, no money for a wall.

btw, she will wilt in a debate with the Donald....
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:10 AM
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/24/t...-of-emergency/

CRS, Congress’s in-house research arm, internally published a paper Jan. 10 titled “Can the Department of Defense Build the Border Wall?,” which The Daily Caller News Foundation has obtained. It says (emphasis added):

Another statute that authorizes the Secretary of Defense to assist civilian law enforcement with counterdrug activities may provide some authority for the construction of barriers along the border. 10 U.S.C. § 284 (Section 284) provides that the Secretary of Defense “may provide support for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime” of any law enforcement agency, including through the “[c]onstruction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.” …

Use of Section 284 would not require a declaration of a national emergency under the NEA. However, the DOD’s Section 284 authority to construct fences appears to extend only to “drug smuggling corridors,” a condition that may limit where DOD could deploy fencing.
“Drug corridors” are not defined in law, according to a top congressional aide.

The president has suggested using executive authority as a workaround to the stalemate that led to the partial government shutdown. House Democrats have refused to allocate $5.7 billion Trump requested to build part of a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, and the president has refused to support legislation opening the government that does not include border wall funding. Trump said Jan. 4 that he hasconsidered using a “state of emergency” to build the wall. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassleyurged Trump not to declare a state of emergency and expressed concerns about overreach and setting a precedent Democrats could also use when in power. (RELATED: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall)

But the CRS report suggests that there is another option beyond negotiating with Congress or declaring a national emergency.


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Old 01-29-2019, 08:47 AM
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I think Trump is fighting an uphill battle. With the Republican party. The Dems don't want the wall and don't really give a rip about protecting any of our citizens. Instead, the Dems always choose to support and defend the criminals and other bad people. Along the way, they claim to fight for the downtrodden and individual groups of people but what have the Dems really done for those groups? Seriously. Obama was going to make things great for the black community. Instead, he staged a bunch of cheap political PR stunts like the beer summit while letting black unemployment go through the roof and enrich a lot of big corporations. Hillary? It's always about what's good for her. Jesse Jackson? He became a millionaire and kept getting richer while blacks were (and still are) killing each other and getting poorer. Kamala Harris? Free government run healthcare for everybody (with twice the rejection rate), "there's racism in this country" and she never knew nothing about that poor female staffer being harassed by one of her top lieutenants. Even after the state paid a huge settlement to the staffer. Zero responsibility and AWOL leadership. She was so determined to blast Kavanaugh over bogus crap yet won't even acknowledge the wrongs in her own administration. Listen to what she says and ignores what she does.

So the Dems don't want that wall. And neither do the Republicans. Because if a wall existed, they would have to deal with the result--Having to fix immigration issues. And neither party wants to do that. The Republicans want to keep those H-1 visas so companies can continue to get rich and the Dems want to "appear" to be the party of the people. What's sad is neither party is really for the people. Yes, the Republicans want to do more and better stuff for the people but in the end, Republicans are just looking out for their special interests (business) like the Dems are looking out for theirs (party leaders who want to stay in power at all costs and screw the people to do so). And then we have the people who blindly go to this political sporting event, cheering on one side or another when both are screwing them.

So yeah. Trump is fighting an uphill battle. People say he's caved, wussed out, sold us out, can't follow through with his promise, etc. The SC Justices and federal judges don't matter (but they do, severely so), the tax restructure doesn't matter (it does if you make less than $100K), removing the health coverage penalty doesn't matter (huh????), rolling back all of the Obama mandates and all of the other things that Trump has done just don't matter. To the naysayers and critics, those things don't matter. Only the wall. Which could have been voted on in the past 2 years when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. Oh yeah. For many of those alleged Republicans, the wall doesn't matter. And that is somehow Trump's fault. While all those Republican Congressmen/women and Senators get a pass without being held accountable for any of this. Go figure.
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