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Oldtimr 11-16-2018 11:50 AM

Yeah, but the left needs someone to blame so they can come up for a punishment for imagined transgressions. You know idiotic things like buying fuel use credits among other imbecilic ideas. I am convinced they don't even believe what they are trying to sell, it just fits their agendas of controlling every ones lives.

flags 11-16-2018 11:51 AM

Now, one of the paper’s co-authors, Ralph Keeling has gamely fessed up to the error — and hinted that this effectively invalidates the paper:

“Unfortunately, we made mistakes here,” said Ralph Keeling, a climate scientist at Scripps, who was a co-author of the study. “I think the main lesson is that you work as fast as you can to fix mistakes when you find them.”

The central problem, according to Keeling, came in how the researchers dealt with the uncertainty in their measurements. As a result, the findings suffer from too much doubt to definitively support the paper’s conclusion about just how much heat the oceans have absorbed over time.

The central conclusion of the study — that oceans are retaining ever more energy as more heat is being trapped within Earth’s climate system each year — is in line with other studies that have drawn similar conclusions. And it hasn’t changed much despite the errors. But Keeling said the authors’ miscalculations mean there is actually a much larger margin of error in the findings, which means researchers can weigh in with less certainty than they thought.

“I accept responsibility for what happened because it’s my role to make sure that those kind of details got conveyed,” Keeling said.
So one of the guys that did the study is publicly saying it is in error but one of our resident "geniuses" can't accept it? Not surprised.

Lunkerdog 11-16-2018 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4346818)
When people think of ice ages they normally assume it was all "pre-historic". When in reality it is very well documented in Europe. The Thames was even frozen over many times. In some cases upto a documented 14 weeks straight. One of the reasons France became such a wine producer was for 100s of years it was simply too cold (seasons too short) in northern countries None of this is speculation. Many hundreds of thousands of Europeans saw it and many of them died during these cold snaps. Famine was wide spread. While not a true ice age this cooling trend lasted for several hundred years AFTER a warming period that took place far before any man made industry could have caused it.

So what caused the warm period prior to the 1300s because it sure wasnt us. What caused this warm period to turn into a very long period of sever cold?.....It sure wasnt us.

An explanation?

Gm54-120 11-16-2018 12:36 PM

The cooling trend lasted for around 700 years depending on the data you want to believe. Thats a very long time for just sun spots and its something we really can not document for certain. Instead of just looking here on Earth we need to pay closer attention to Mars. Its completely impossible we are having any effect on Martian polar caps ect but we do have everything needed to monitor them.

Erno86 11-17-2018 10:08 AM



Oldtimr 11-17-2018 10:39 AM

More wind whistling through the emptiness! Cut and paste nothingness.

Ranger77 11-18-2018 05:25 PM

as I've always said .... 10,000 years ago, there was ice in Ohio
in the 1400's, Europe had a mini ice age
in the 1960's the fear was global cooling

the earth changes - man trashes it, but doesn't impact the cylces

archeryrob 11-24-2018 03:21 AM

If you want to cheer yourself up, think of these guys trying to cool the planet now. Then start reading about the Grand Solar Minimum of 2030 and predictions. We are already starting to cool of heading towards it.

Oldtimr 11-24-2018 04:17 AM

Shhhhhhh, you will scare the liberals and they may wet their beds!:D

Alsatian 11-24-2018 05:15 AM

"Most men are satisfied with appearances as though they were realities and often are more influenced by things that seem than by those that are." from The Discourses by Niccolo Machiavelli.

Indeed, on the subject of Global Warming, people are more influenced by things that seem than by those that are.

Most people don't think very well. I mean, their mental processes do not work right. They add 2 plus 2 and come up with 5 or -1. They are extremely susceptible to logical fallacies. Again . . . most people don't think very well.

On the subject of global warming it makes ALL the difference whether warming is caused by human beings or is not caused by human beings. Several of the posts above point out that there have definitely been numerous previous episodes of global warming in our planet's history that WERE NOT human caused. So, our press and Hollywood and politicians are obligated to make the case that current warming is caused by human beings and not due to non-human natural causes. They never do this. They have a theory that "greenhouse" gas emission causes planetary temperatures to rise, but over the last two decades the mathematical correlation between increasing concentration of greenhouse gases and global temperatures does NOT support that theory. They are floundering about trying to change the data -- in essence -- to make it fit their theory, rather than adapting their theory to fit the data. They don't like the data, so they CHANGE the way they take their measurements. I'm not making this up. They also like to play with the definition of "normal" temperature. What IS the definition of "normal" temperature when we only have a short history of recorded temperature measurements? What is "normal" temperature when you exclude the "little ice age" from 1230 AD to 1800 AD? Some people say we are still "climbing out" of the little ice age, and in fact this accounts for the "global warming" that is observed.

To my mind the strongest evidence of public fraud on this topic of "human caused global warming" (anthropogenic global warming -- AGW) is the numerous incidents of obvious errors on the parts of scientists. They are NOT operating as dispassionate searchers of knowledge. They have a predetermined result that they are working towards. This is shown by the consistency of the errors -- the errors are not randomly distributed as they would be if they were merely good faith errors.

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