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Old 11-08-2018, 05:57 PM
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...."A Republic, If we can keep it!" That's Ben Franklin's response to a question posed to him almost 250 years ago! The question was,"what kind of government do we have?"
Franklin knew, as the majority of our Fore Fathers knew, that the very things that set America apart, were the same things that could also destroy our nation! With great "freedoms," comes great responsibility! They knew, as we are finding out now, that the more unscrupulous, greedy, liars that get into high offices, could abuse our freedoms and cause our country to crumble from within! What we are seeing now is that we are close to the tipping point, politicians can "buy" votes with our taxpayer money! As more people become lazy and discover that they can "sell" their votes and get more freebies, it puts an ever increasing burden on fewer and fewer working taxpayers! This in itself, is unsustainable!
Corrupt politicians and groups are abusing "free speech," calling for Antifa, instead of respecting the ballot box. Criminally calling for violence and rioting, in the name of "lawful assembly," and protests!
There are so many more examples that we could list of ways that our Constitution is being used and twisted to destroy America, but you either get the point by now, or you are part of the problem!

Also, in the last 50 - 100 years, we have not policed our own systems. Whole generations have been taught "fantasy history," if they have been taught history at all! Now we actually have clueless people that for instance, believe that states such as California and New York and others, due to population, deserve more than two Senators! There are also many of the so-called, "edumackated" people that say that the GOP has "gerrymandered" their Senate districts! DUH,.. both of your Senators represent your whole state, not a particular district! IE, gerrymandering is not possible in the Senate!
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Old 11-11-2018, 11:17 AM
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I read a lot of books on Political Philosophy -- Plato's Republic, Plato's Laws, Aristotle's Politics, all of Plutarch's Lives, Machiavelli's Prince, Machiavelli's Discourses, sayings of Francesco Guicciardini. These are things I've read within the last 2 years. Both Machiavelli and Guicciardini make the point that polities -- forms of government -- do not last forever. Republics do not last forever. Aristotle certainly commented upon this in his book Politics. So . . . loss of the United States republic is not a possibility but a certainty. The question is WHEN not IF.

I agree many bad and distressing things are afoot in our nation and our society. What I do not see, however, is an effective and realistic strategy for combating these distressing things. Basically the disease that the political philosophers identify as the cause of decadence in polities is self-interest. Citizens turn away from the common good and dwell too much on self-interest. You could say that (using other words) this is turning away from the common good to dwell too much on one's material condition, one's bank account. No one is willing to sacrifice personal freedom for a common good. Anything that interferes with personal freedom is an unacceptable imposition. But yet often these constraints on personal freedom redound to the common good. I'm thinking about things like out-of-wedlock child birth as a prime case, but there are many other examples. This kind of analysis applies not just to the hoi-polloi but also to the elites, the leaders. The leaders do not want to sacrifice their brilliant career -- to risk their brilliant career -- to rally to the common good, to stand up for principle.

With reference to things you mentioned like California getting more than two senators. Nothing prevents making this change legally and within the framework our founders themselves contemplated. It is called amending the constitution. If it is deemed a good thing to change our existing constitution . . . by all means change it . . . by the predefined process written into the constitution. There is no room, however, for willy-nilly changing this stuff just because a few people feel that way. Abide by the constitution: change things by the lawful process of constitutional amendments. This applies to getting rid of the electoral college and to getting rid of the second amendment. By all means, throw out the electoral college, but do that using the constitutionally defined amendment process. By all means, cancel the second amendment, but do that using the constitutionally defined amendment process.

Tyrannical minorities do not rule in our country. Even tyrannical majorities do not rule in our country. The constitution establishes the laws and forms by which our government is conducted. I'm not thinking that 2/3s of the states are going to shoot themselves in the foot by approving a constitutional amendment to dilute the strength of their senators in the US senate. Demagogues can hyperventilate and argue all they want, but I don't forsee changing the number of senators per state by the constitutionally provided amendment process. So it is just a bunch of useless PR.
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:34 PM
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Nor do I think that 2/3s of the states would be willing to scrap the senate! Just pointing out the libtard point of view and how little they actually know of our Constitution! Which is two people from each state= the Senate! House of Representatives= the number of which, is determined by the states population! These are two very simple concepts, a 1st. grader could understand them, and yet the dummycraps still cannot understand it!
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I'm pretty sure the Democrat politicians understand the system well enough, they are just sowing seeds of discord. Why? What is their end game? My guess is that they are generally trying to delegitimize Republicans. For example, Trump is not a legitimate president because he did not win a majority of votes. Kavanaugh is not a legitimate supreme court justice because he was approved by the senate, and the senate is an anti-democratic institution. It doesn't matter that Ginsburg was approved by the same anti-democratic institution. It is just what Democrats do. They do not want to establish balance and reason and clarity in their constituents. Delegitimize the opposition in any way you can. This frees the Democrats from having to treat with Republicans, to engage in political deliberation, to hear their points of view.
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Just wait til Ginsburg croaks or retires. You aint see nothin yet with their insanity if Trump gets to pick another Justice. Thank God we still have the Senate.
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JagMagMan, speaking of History and let us be honest ours is less than perfect. We started all of this with riots and violence. We secured it with a healthy dose of violence and violence is how we shall continue to defend it. You just have to wrap your mind around the fact that a lot of Americans do not feel the same way you do about things. When you do that you'll be more content with what blessings we enjoy. You'll also be more resilient to the hardships we will surely face.
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So long as there is one demorat in this country we should never be content about anything we have, because the demorats are determined to take away our liberty and freedoms. When the right has had enough the left will find out just how resilient and determined we are to keep what the founders gave to us at the cost of so many lives. It is the demorats that sorely need history lessons!
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mickey Finn View Post
JagMagMan, speaking of History and let us be honest ours is less than perfect. We started all of this with riots and violence. We secured it with a healthy dose of violence and violence is how we shall continue to defend it.
Let's not pick and choose partial historical facts, and let's not twist history to mean things that it does not! But that is the dummycrap M.O. Finley, pick parts of history and the Constitution and twist it as it suits your needs and delete the rest!
You are correct in that America is less than perfect, but you can't show me a better form of government and our Republic is infinitely better than anything in second place,such as socialism/communism!
You are also correct, we used violence to create America! However, you cannot compare "Antifa," with declaring war against a tyrannical dictatorship, which was the monarchy of the British Empire!
Lastly, you're correct, we shall continue to defend America and the Constitution! Antifa has no place in America! We are a Representative Republic, so the far left and Antifa have no right to violence when they lose at the ballot box!
So, go back to the union hall and try to get better talking points from your talking heads! But, that will be a fruitless endeavor because they don't have any!
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Originally Posted by Mickey Finn View Post
JagMagMan, speaking of History and let us be honest ours is less than perfect. We started all of this with riots and violence. We secured it with a healthy dose of violence and violence is how we shall continue to defend it. You just have to wrap your mind around the fact that a lot of Americans do not feel the same way you do about things. When you do that you'll be more content with what blessings we enjoy. You'll also be more resilient to the hardships we will surely face.
I can see the context, however, was not sure if it is the correct context. So what exactly do you mean by the emboldened part of your statement above?
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Old 11-14-2018, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CalHunter View Post
I can see the context, however, was not sure if it is the correct context. So what exactly do you mean by the emboldened part of your statement above?
It could mean a couple of things couldn't it. It's also just as easy to take out of context. I was responding to JagMagMan's post. I was using the emboldened as a portion of my preface. Different Americans see things differently. Obviously we have gone as far as civil war to express our differences. So, targets of that violent defense could possibly mean foreign or domestic threats.
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