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Old 08-15-2018, 09:18 AM
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Hoisting the BS flag to the peak! Neither Flake or Corker were going to win re-election in their states. Their numbers were in the toilet and they chose to quit rather than lose. And you don't even know how those seats will go in the mid-term. The AZ seat Flake held will stay in GOP hands and the one in TN that Corker held probably will too. Why would you automatically assume that just because those 2 idiots aren't in the race that their states will go DEM?
I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I didn't say the GOP was going to lose those seats. I said the GOP is losing two solid senators. They may not be popular among the far right, but Corker and Flake are both guys who could reach across the aisle to forge deals and get things accomplished. The GOP will miss them.

With that said, while there's a good chance Flake would've gotten beat in a re-election bid, Corker would've cruised to victory in his re-election campaign. I'm from Tennessee, and Corker was quite popular here. I think Republicans will hold on to the Arizona seat, but there's a really good chance Democrats win in Tennessee. The Republican nominee, Marsha Blackburn, is facing an immensely popular former governor, Phil Bredesen. If Bredesen hadn't been term-limited in 2010, he would've easily won a third term. Polling data is scant, though the polls that have been conducted have Bredesen leading, but there's at least a 50/50 shot that Bredesen wins Tennessee for the Democrats.
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Old 08-15-2018, 10:34 AM
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[QUOTE=flags;4339905]Did you keep your tax cut? Do you like it that unemployment numbers are down? Do you like stock market gains? Do you like the fact that he just got his 26th appellate court judge appointed? Those are called accomplishments![/QUOTE]
That would be a matter of opinion.

There is no doubt the economy is doing well. But we both know, these things come and go. As this is the political forum I was speaking more to the future of out two party system. Maybe you support trump but don't believe the system needs shaking up? That would be like supporting the outdoor pursuits and deregulation at the same time don't you think?

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Old 08-15-2018, 12:56 PM
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As this is the political forum I was speaking more to the future of out two party system. Maybe you support trump but don't believe the system needs shaking up?
So you think Trump is to blame for the two party system and is responsible for changing it? You want a viable 3rd Party then figure out how to found one and how to get them to win elections. You do know there are a lot of different parties don't you? But they do not gin up enough support to win anything. That is hardly Trump's fault. And don't try to tell me that was what you were talking about! Here is what you said: "If Trumps presidency accomplishes anything at all...." By using the word "if" you are implying the man has not accomplished anything to date and that is intellectually dishonest.

You really shoult tell your union masters to give you better talking points!
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Old 08-15-2018, 12:59 PM
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I brought up historical facts to support my claim as to how the democrats really are Mickey. By putting up one who they acclaim a hero when in fact he was anything but. I would venture I have a much deeper understanding of history than you if you are coming to the defense of one such as JFK. I look at things from a military point of view since my old man was in both Korea and Vietnam conflicts. And I look at things presently and future ventures as a business owner. So far, even including his outlandish tweets, Trump is doing an outstanding job. Considering all the higher ups that are doing all in their power to bar his path he is doing far better than most ever expected. I know I like being able to bank a little more each month, don't you? I know the people working for me like being able to get more work because I have the bank to back it. I make more, my employees profit more. I know some out there refute trickle down economics because some business owners don't spread the wealth as I do but I would have to venture that more do than don't. Because of the tax cuts, many are able to secure more work, more work equals more jobs and at times, better pay. Pretty easy to do that math. But just because there are some greedy business owners that don't spread the wealth out that must mean total failure. Especially to the Union bosses who think of nothing but lining their own pockets and those of their Democrat owners.
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by flags View Post
So you think Trump is to blame for the two party system and is responsible for changing it? You want a viable 3rd Party then figure out how to found one and how to get them to win elections. You do know there are a lot of different parties don't you? But they do not gin up enough support to win anything. That is hardly Trump's fault. And don't try to tell me that was what you were talking about! Here is what you said: "If Trumps presidency accomplishes anything at all...." By using the word "if" you are implying the man has not accomplished anything to date and that is intellectually dishonest.

You really shoult tell your union masters to give you better talking points!
No flags, I think we are responsible. Accepting that we get the democracy we deserve. I meant that Trump has shaken up the system (mostly the GOP I'll admit). So, ever hopeful. I think we might be seeing the beginning of change. What I see in Europe and now in Mexico worries me and I'd like to think we are on firm footing for what may lie ahead. Needless to say, the constant squabbling and each party wasting time deconstructing what they other has done serves no one.

As for talking points from the IAFF. There are none I'm afraid. NRA now, is another matter.
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Creek_Walker View Post
I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I didn't say the GOP was going to lose those seats. I said the GOP is losing two solid senators.
And I am of the opinion that neither Flake nor Corker were ever "solid Republicans." Both are bums so good riddance to them.
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:59 AM
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They may not be popular among the far right, but Corker and Flake are both guys who could reach across the aisle to forge deals and get things accomplished. The GOP will miss them.
They are/were very popular with the left and MSM! Every time I would watch NBC or some other MSM channel discussing some random political matter, they would "get their take on the subject" from the other side (GOP) to appear neutral. Without fail, it was either one of these two, or John McCain. All three of them would basically say the same thing those on the left would say, Trump is terrible, yadda yadda yadda. It didn't matter what they were talking about, it all led to everyone being a never Trumper or Trump hater.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chazspot View Post
They are/were very popular with the left and MSM! Every time I would watch NBC or some other MSM channel discussing some random political matter, they would "get their take on the subject" from the other side (GOP) to appear neutral. Without fail, it was either one of these two, or John McCain. All three of them would basically say the same thing those on the left would say, Trump is terrible, yadda yadda yadda. It didn't matter what they were talking about, it all led to everyone being a never Trumper or Trump hater.
Meh. I tend to think the Corker/Flake approach is key to good government. The wing-nut stuff, right vs. left with no in-between, is just bogging us down as a nation and as a society. Joe Lieberman wasn't very popular with the far left but he was a pretty good senator. If you look back over the past 50 years, some of the best Republicans were moderates. Howard Baker was a moderate. Heck, Ronald Reagan is hailed as the father of modern conservatism but he actually governed as a moderate. And he was the best president of my lifetime. Although he had plenty of liberal tendencies that I didn't like, Bill Clinton governed as a moderate and he was not a terrible president if you can ignore all of his extra-curricular activities. He was certainly better than Obama, and he was better than either of the Bushes.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mickey Finn View Post
No flags, I think we are responsible. Accepting that we get the democracy we deserve. I meant that Trump has shaken up the system (mostly the GOP I'll admit). So, ever hopeful. I think we might be seeing the beginning of change. What I see in Europe and now in Mexico worries me and I'd like to think we are on firm footing for what may lie ahead. Needless to say, the constant squabbling and each party wasting time deconstructing what they other has done serves no one.

As for talking points from the IAFF. There are none I'm afraid. NRA now, is another matter.
I think one could credibly argue that Trump has shaken the DNC to its' core. They are way more animated now than they ever were for Obama or Hillary. I think Bernie and that gal in NY are contributing to the shakeup as well. You don't read or hear about it much but I believe there are still some moderates on the Dem side who are not happy with their party going so far to the left. Up to now, the ultra-liberals and socialists have driven the agenda for the DNC. At some point, I think a lot of those moderates will also contribute to a party shakeup. At present, they are simply taken for granted, much like black and women voters. But I can see where they will eventually get tired of the BS and push back harder.
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