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Old 04-28-2018, 11:23 AM
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Once upon a time the American Congress could find "common ground," and reach across the aisle to get some things done! After all, we were all supposed to be on the American side! During the last few election cycles, common ground," is no longer common at all! In fact, ONLY the Republicans are expected to give in and compromise!
Especially in the last 10 years the DEM's have dug-in and stood their ground and the GOP, for whatever reason, have become very passive. Some of the GOP are definitely RINO's, others have fallen into the "political correctness trap!" Very few ever dared to buck obozo for fear of being labeled racist's!
At the same time as the Bush's, Romney and others were busy appeasing the DEM's, the DEM's were going farther and farther to the left. As I said at the beginning, at one time we were still all Americans!
This is no longer true, we have become a fragmented nation!
The "left," has crossed the line into socialism long ago!
The "traditional" DEM voters have remained loyal DEM's due to just that! Tradition!
The Blacks and other minorities more or less have remained puppets to the DEM machine by bribe's and lies of their own leaders and peer pressure.
On the other side, we have the "Conservatives," the GOP, with various degrees of "conservative," from moderate to Constitutional Conservatives!
Having said all this, "common ground," is no longer "common!" In fact, it does not exist at all anymore!
If minorities, traditional DEM's and otherwise unconcerned Americans do not start thinking for themselves and searching out the truth, we will all soon be ruled by the "minority party," the ultra-left socialist DEM regime!
I refuse to believe that the majority of DEM's believe in or would support their party, IF they knew the truth! If we can gain some of them AND wake up the GOP, we CAN save our country and our Constitution!
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:45 AM
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Jag, I don't believe we will ever get back together. There are too many people who vote for democrats to get things for free, they will never vote against self interests and most don't have a clue what is happening in and to our country, not do they care so long as politicians can buy their votes with free things. We have got to find a way to remove the left from our schools and universities so our kids are not indoctrinated into the leftist way of thinking through their entire school years. At the rate we are going we will very soon just be another crap hole socialist country like most of the rest of the world. This is why the left hates Trump so much, because he actually is trying to do something for the country and our citizens and they are afraid he will succeed and perhaps recruit others away from the leftist mind set. The Rinos hate him because he is upsetting their apple cart where they call themselves republicans but are in bed with the democrats. That is not the across the aisle cooperation we need, I would sooner see the Congress at loggerheads, at least they can do no harm by not passing laws. I also believe a kind of civil war between the right and left is not an impossibility the way things are going in an effort to destroy the Constitution

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Old 04-28-2018, 12:26 PM
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I can see a growing schism between the socialist left wing of the Dem party and those Dems who think the left has gone too far.
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Cal, I wish I could see the difference. What I see from the Democrats is anything legal or illegal to win. ie Hillary and the bogus Russia allegations against Trump.
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Old 04-29-2018, 10:56 AM
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Sadly, I believe that most of what OT said is true. I think that we are living in a time that our fore-fathers worried about!
I believe it was Ben Franklin, when asked about what kind of new government we had. He said, “A republic IF we can keep it!” As usual, legalities are for honest people and power can corrupt! The weakness of a republic is when politicians figure out that they can buy votes with new laws and when enough voters become a majority and realize that that they can vote in more freebies that the honest, working tax payers have to pay for!
I hope that we can still save our country and our Constitution, but the clock is ticking and the hard leftist’s are firmly entrenched in our government and in our education system! Judging by the new anti-gun craze in high schools, it appears that they are doing a good job at brainwashing our children!
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Old 04-30-2018, 08:55 AM
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The issue with teh one side gives in is that Dems typically want to either take something away, or give something more that costs money. R's are then in the game of digging their feet in, or negotiating and giving a little. Wash rinse repeat.

There's no "common ground" anymore except to make the other side look bad and get re-elected.
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Old 04-30-2018, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CalHunter View Post
I can see a growing schism between the socialist left wing of the Dem party and those Dems who think the left has gone too far.

Disagreement is a good thing. And so I'm going to disagree. Maybe it makes a difference whether you consider this at a national level or at a state level. At a national level I would disagree and say there is no schism between different elements of the Democratic party. As evidence for my position, I would state that virtually all Democrats in the US Senate or in the US House all vote as a block. On almost every vote, the Democrats vote as a block. I don't care what Democrats SAY they think, I care about how the VOTE, and with reference to their voting, there is no schism.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:10 AM
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In response to JagMagMan's thread. Hmmm. Where do I begin? My comments are not entirely focused, but bear with me.


I would begin by remarking that many Republicans have been elected who have not voted in accord with their campaign rhetoric. How many Republicans who were voted in by Tea Party energy failed to deliver any votes that accorded with their promises to the Tea Party Movement? Thus my comment is that it isn't just "the other side of the aisle" that is the problem here. The problem is farther ranging.


What is the cause and what is the solution? Probably the cause is cultural and the solution is cultural -- or would be cultural. But I'm not holding my breath for this solution to be implemented.


I myself have come to the conclusion that the various trends we are observing and decrying are not going to be stopped or reversed. The only comfort I could find would be to suppose that behind the circus show of democratic politics, our actual governing is in the hands of aristocrats who pull the strings of the elected officials to steer things where they want them to move and maintain the shadow show of democratic politics to dupe the masses. But I cannot square many of the ineptitudes of our government (massive deficit, ineffectual foreign policy, toleration of civil unrest) with the conspiracy theory that it is all being well conducted behind the cover of democratic forms of government by a shrewd aristocracy.


My actions look close to home, to my children. I focus on trying to teach them things that they ought to know and get them to read old books so they learn things about human nature and people that the schools no longer teach. "Cultivate your garden" was the final advice of Voltaire at the end of his picaresque novel "Candide." That is probably good advice. Just mind your own business and steer your own family members in the right direction. Watch what is happening; try to get out of the way of bad stuff before it happens.
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Old 04-30-2018, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Alsatian View Post
Disagreement is a good thing. And so I'm going to disagree. Maybe it makes a difference whether you consider this at a national level or at a state level. At a national level I would disagree and say there is no schism between different elements of the Democratic party. As evidence for my position, I would state that virtually all Democrats in the US Senate or in the US House all vote as a block. On almost every vote, the Democrats vote as a block. I don't care what Democrats SAY they think, I care about how the VOTE, and with reference to their voting, there is no schism.
OK, I'm going to disagree with with your assessment here, since we've agreed to disagree!
While the DEM Party has leaned to the left almost forever, they have excelled in one thing from the early 1900's! PROPAGANDA!
Lies and half-truths!
Propaganda IS the backbone of Socialism and the DEM establishment!
It also was the driving force of Hitler's NAZI movement!
From the days of FDR and the Great Depression, DEM's have led multitudes to believe that "they are for the working people!"
Fast forward to today, due to "tradition," and other factors. the most radical, socialist element of the DEM Party have taken control of the DEM Party!
Therefore, the vast majority of the DEM voting block, have absolutely, no idea of what their leader's true beliefs are!
Hopefully, we can show some of them the "light!"
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:09 PM
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The only hope is a convention of the states. Too much power has gone to the federal government. Power the framers never intended to have and it was foretold in the federalist papers should both the House and Senate be chosen by the same means.

I encourage you all to learn about what a convention of the states is and what it isn't. It not a rewriting of the constitution. Its amending the constitution just as if Congress voted to amend the constitution. It's a way for the states to take back power the federal government has grabbed like implementing term limits. Like putting in place tying federal budgets to the GDP and keeping it spending within its means. Give the states an opportunity to overturn the SC if enough said no way to things like Obamacare.

We're such a fractured society why? Because decisions are being made at the federal level for the entire country. That's not what a republic is about.
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