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Old 01-05-2018, 07:52 AM
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JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
Obama-era hands-off approach allowed business to
flourish in some states


SADIE GURMAN
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON — The Trump administraon
threw the
burgeoning movement to legalize marijuana into
uncertainty Thursday as it lifted
an Obamaera policy
that kept federal authories
from cracking down on
the pot trade in states where the drug is legal.

Attorney
General Jeff Sessions will now leave it up to
federal prosecutors to decide what to do when state
rules collide with federal drug law.
Sessions’ acon,
just three days aer
a legalizaon
law
went into effect in California, threatened the future of
the young industry, created confusion in states where
the drug is legal and outraged both marijuana
advocates and some members of Congress, including
Sessions’ fellow Republicans.
Many conservaves
are wary of what they see as
federal intrusion in areas they believe must be le
to
the states.
Republican Sen. Cory Gardner, who represents
Colorado, one of eight states that have legalized
marijuana for recreaonal
Ausn
Pis,
right, assists a customer Thursday inside
the Harborside cannabis dispensary in Oakland, Calif.
Aorney
General Jeff Sessions has rescinded an
Obama-era policy that allowed legalized marijuana to
flourish, creang
confusion about enforcement and
use just three days after
a new legalizaon
law went
into effect in California.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Sessions ends tolerance of legal pot
Legal pot: Feds intervene
use, said the change contradicts a pledge Sessions
made to him before being confirmed as aorney
general.
Gardner promised to push legislaon
to protect
marijuana sales, saying he was prepared “to take all
steps necessary” to fight the change, including holding
up the confirmaon
of Jusce
Department nominees.
preclude the possibility of medicalmarijuana related
prosecuons.
Prosecuon
unclear
Officials wouldn’t say whether federal prosecutors
would target marijuana shops and legal growers, nor
would they speculate on whether pot prosecuons
would increase.
They denied the ming
was connected to the opening
of California sales, which are projected to bring in $1
Sessions ends tolerance of legal pot
Legal pot: Feds intervene
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Another Republican senator, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
called the announcement “disrupve”
and
“regreable.”
Colorado’s U.S. aorney,
Bob Troyer, said his office
won’t change its approach to prosecuon,
despite
Sessions’ guidance. Prosecutors there have always
focused on marijuana crimes that “create the greatest
safety threats” and will connue
to be guided by that,
Troyer said.
The largely hands-off approach to marijuana
enforcement set forth by Barack Obama’s Jusce
Department allowed the pot business to flourish into a
sophiscated,
mulmillion-dollar
industry that helps
fund some state government programs. What happens
now is in doubt.
“In deciding which marijuana acvies
to prosecute
under these laws with the Department’s finite
resources, prosecutors should follow the wellestablished
principles that govern all federal
prosecuons,”
considering the seriousness of a crime
and its impact on the community, Sessions told
prosecutors in a one-page memo.
While Sessions, a longme
marijuana foe, has been
carrying out a Jusce
Department agenda that follows
Trump’s top priories
on such issues as immigraon
and opioids, this change reflects his own concerns. He
railed against marijuana as an Alabama senator and
has assailed it as comparable to heroin.
Trump, as a candidate, said pot should be le
up to
the states, but his personal views on marijuana remain
largely unknown.
It is not clear how the change might affect states
where marijuana is legal for medical purposes. A
congressional amendment blocks the Jusce
Department from interfering with medical marijuana
programs in states where it is allowed. Jusce
officials
said they would follow the law but would not
billion annually in tax revenue within several years.
And, the officials said, Thursday’s acon
might not be
the only step toward greater marijuana enforcement.
The department has the authority to sue states on the
grounds that state laws regulang
pot are
unconstuonal,
preempted by federal law.
The Obama administraon
in 2013 announced it
would not stand in the way of states that legalize
marijuana, so long as officials acted to keep it from
migrang
to places where it remained outlawed and
keep it out of the hands of criminal gangs and
children. That memo, wrien
by then-Deputy Aorney
General James M. Cole, had cleared up some of the
uncertainty about how the federal government would
respond as states began allowing sales for recreaonal
and medical purposes.
But the Sessions Jusce
Department believed the Cole
memo created a “safe harbor” for marijuana by
allowing states to flout federal law, Jusce
Department
officials said. Sessions, in his memo, called the Obama
guidance “unnecessary.”
He and some law enforcement officials in states such
as Colorado blame legalizaon
for a number of
problems, including drug traffickers who have taken
advantage to illegally grow and ship the drug across
state lines, where it can sell for much more.
Marijuana advocates argue those concerns are
overblown and contend legalizing the drug reduces
crime by eliminang
the need for a black market. They
quickly condemned Sessions’ move as a return to
outdated drug-war policies that unduly affected
minories.
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:20 AM
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The RIGHT continuing to attempt to social engineer based upon some hocus pocus
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:21 AM
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Saw some on this After i posted on the subject yesterday. Sure they make it a states issue AFTER they change the fed laws that apply now. Sure sue im. Dosnt the fed gov have DEA agents who make raids on drug dealers? Didnt the FBI go into ( gipson? that guitar makers business( x2 maybe?) a guns drawn raid because they were maybe using a wrong kind of wood under obama? Of course it migrates out of states where its legal ( seen a thing some og them also used the USPS/mails- Hmm well anyways maybe things will get intresting... O bama ( and others)helped them break federal drugs laws in the matter ( but nothing new with that either on a number of subjects.
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:26 AM
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It is illegal NOW period ALL of it , in all states either change the fed laws or inforce them
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Old 01-05-2018, 11:32 AM
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O well. As I gathered from my first reading of this subject it was a matter of Sessions returning authority to prosecutors to use their own discretion whether to prosecute a violation of federal marijuana laws. If you read that, it lays it on rather thickly that there may be more important, community threatening crimes than merely peddling marijuana, and prosecutors are well advised to prioritize their prosecutions based on their judgment of the seriousness of the threats. Notwithstanding, however, in some cases it may be well advised for prosecutors to have this freedom. When? O, maybe when a known bad guy is able to evade justice through technical machinations but yet can be prosecuted under the federal marijuana statute.


Maybe the way to remedy this is to not do an end run around federal law -- which is highly dubious to my way of thinking -- but rather to change the federal law. If there is a community consensus on the good to be obtained in abolishing the prohibition of marijuana, then deleting the federal law will be easy. If the federal law cannot be deleted . . . then that implies there is no such storied community consensus for legalizing marijuana.


One last question. Why do states rights trump only when liberal causes are promoted by states rights?
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:01 PM
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The whole thing is just another chit storm in the making. Somewhere around 7% of the population are alcoholics. And there is likely to be that many potoholics soon.

And all these pie in the sky types saying marijuana isn't addictive are kidding themselves. A substantial number of pot smokers spend most of their lives in a partial stupor. They may not be physically addicted, they just prefer living life in a cloud.

What is the likely outcome, the permissive attitude will trickle down, youngsters will want to be grown up and smoke like the adults do and a substantial number of them will have arrested development from spending their formative years in a haze.

Food is a gateway drug to obesity if you can't control your eating. And a substantial number of people lack that control. A percentage of the population is lacking in the ability to control their drug intake. A reasonable and empathetic person would do what they can to save them from themselves.

Somebody who just sees dollar signs sees an opportunity. I'd say people with no vision could care less about the future as long as they get theirs now. Playing on peoples weaknesses for monetary gain is as old as mankind.

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Vermont left leaning House just passed the vote on legal personal pot possession. I think it is a disgrace and hope our GOP governor vetoes it if it goes any further. They don't even have a roadside test for impairment. I think the idiots in our statehouse only want the tax that will come from the sale of pot. Nobody even wants to talk about down the road and the medical care that will be necessary to treat all these people who have abused drugs. We have an unprecedented opiate addiction problem here and now they want to legalize pot. Disgusting.
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The is one of the things I disagree with most conservatives on. I think the legalization of marijuana should be left up to the states.

I also think its a losing battle. Legalization of marijuana IS coming IMO. Fighting it will do nothing but lose elections for us IMO.
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Originally Posted by rockport View Post
The is one of the things I disagree with most conservatives on. I think the legalization of marijuana should be left up to the states.

I also think its a losing battle. Legalization of marijuana IS coming IMO. Fighting it will do nothing but lose elections for us IMO.
I kind of think you are right. They should decriminalize it some, a misdemeanor, but hefty enough fines to damp it down some. I picture a future of rampant public Pot intoxication. I knew one guy who was a two time loser, with two felonies for slinging Weed, looking at a third, who was stoned in court.

Anybody who thinks it is harmless is kidding themselves. Like social drinking, some people can and some can't. I've seen too many people run off the rails over the years and the root of it all was weed, though few of them would admit it. Some people can use it on a regular basis, some can't, the only way to find out for sure is to try it and fail. I've fired guys over the years for coming to work stoned, the job was just to darned dangerous for everybody involved, to screw a round with booze or weed on the job.

The answer to any inquiries is always the same, but I can use it responsibly (or in plain vernacular, "I can handle it". My thought is always, how would you know? You're stoned .

Buddy of mine died awhile ago, he ran off the rails for awhile, mostly because of weed. He had the whole package going for him, linebacker for the Rams, successful Lawyer. He's just one. Another got fired, mostly because of weed and thought going back to his old job and waving a pistol around was the solution. Another was a Pot farmer and died young from Leukemia, seems he really should have read the label on the insecticides he used. Another guy, a race car driver, supported his racing team slinging weed, last I heard is he was one step ahead of the Feds and then suddenly disappeared. The least painful way to avoid trouble is to watch the other guy screw up and not do that.

Much like booze, no real good can come from it. Sure it can make you feel good for awhile, but the down side is insidious and can seriously screw up your life.

Anybody who tries to tell you it is harmless is lying to you.
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I have noticed a change around Colorado due to pot becoming legal. In the beginning there wasn't any open sign of that business and then a few medical MJ dispensaries sprouted up but weren't widespread. Now there are head shops all over the place in most of the small towns I passed through going from Denver to the Fort Garland area. I haven't been back there in the past couple of years but have noticed the change. I personally know someone's son who moved there just to work in that industry. All the head shops had what looked like homeless hanging around the streets. Lots of big fancy cars many with out of state plates parked in front through.
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