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Old 06-17-2015, 08:15 AM
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The fact that you agreed to Rangers position with your initial posting and that this article confirms your views that "science wrong again". This is the exact reason you are placing blame, without knowing anything. I asked you to show where the FDA has done anything that is being claimed. You have not, you cannot, and you make demands of every other person that gets into a debate with you yet you claim you are the honest one? We can go back to your post where you admit you really don't know crap about the FDA, then how can you say their science was wrong?

Also I am glad you can explain in detail the type of man you are, or is that your upbringing? At least a liar can tell who another liar is, maybe that is why you have issues with many other peoples posts.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:10 AM
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FDA's science once said it was all good and safe



they were wrong
No, that's not true. Why do you think some food labels say, "No trans fats!"? They've known it was bad for consumption for a long time. In fact, regulations in the early 2000s made trans fat content in foods drop significantly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8179036

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"In the process of converting vegetable oils into solid fats, a process known as partial hydrogenation, some unsaturated bonds are converted to an unnatural trans position. In humans, trans fatty acids increase low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and decrease high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. In addition, positive associations between intake of trans fatty acids and coronary heart disease have been observed in epidemiological studies. The combined results of metabolic and epidemiological studies provide strong evidence that trans fatty acid intake is causally related to risk of coronary disease. Because the consumption of partially hydrogenated fats is almost universal in the United States, the number of deaths attributable to such fats is likely to be substantial. Federal regulations should require manufacturers to include trans fatty acid content in food labels and should aim to greatly reduce or eliminate the use of partially hydrogenated vegetable fats."


you mean that stuff is natural ??
A Large Igneous Province eruption can output CO2 at a similar level as human emissions. An LIP eruption isn't often, though. We haven't had any eruption like that in human history. The last one was millions of years ago.

The fact that you agreed to Rangers position with your initial posting and that this article confirms your views that "science wrong again". This is the exact reason you are placing blame, without knowing anything. I asked you to show where the FDA has done anything that is being claimed. You have not, you cannot, and you make demands of every other person that gets into a debate with you yet you claim you are the honest one? We can go back to your post where you admit you really don't know crap about the FDA, then how can you say their science was wrong?
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:16 PM
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http://www.drugwatch.com/lawsuits/


All drugs approved to give people .... all has dangerous side affects and if you trusted those who told you it was good to take it, you can get $$$$$$$$$$ out of the lawsuits



Did you want to talk more about how "good" the FDA is and how we can trust the science in what they says ??

http://www.drugwatch.com/recalls/
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:32 PM
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This:

You both claim that the FDA's science said it was all good.
Is not this:

...you agreed to Rangers position with your initial posting
What I agree with is science missed the mark. You cannot copy and paste what you accused me of, because it simply doesn't exist. I.e., your accusation is false. Case closed.

Now, getting away from the ridiculousness...the fact of the matter is simple. FDA scientists do tests to approve or reject what is allowed on the shelves of U.S. markets as fit for human consumption. They got it wrong, else they wouldn't have to go back and change it.

Does that make them evil? Of course not. Humans are fallible. Scientists aren't gods...they make mistakes.

Ever known of someone getting a flu shot and still getting the flu? Ever hear on the news how the flu shot won't be as effective a particular year? Why is that? Simple. Because science was wrong. They predicted that one strain would be predominant a particular year, so that's what they targeted with their inoculation...but a different strain took over. Oops.

People make mistakes, including scientists. No idea why that is such a hard concept to grasp, or why that fact seems to be so offensive to some people. Sure makes it entertaining to point out what would otherwise be boring, run-of-the-mill facts.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:54 PM
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All drugs approved to give people .... all has dangerous side affects and if you trusted those who told you it was good to take it, you can get $$$$$$$$$$ out of the lawsuits
I would argue the FDA is too cautious with approving drugs. A drug can be beneficial despite the negatives, even if one of the consequences could lead to death. Did you know they use venom as a template to create new drugs?

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...378857/?no-ist

"We may associate a snake bite or jellyfish sting with pain or even death, but scientists are working on ways to manipulate these venoms for our benefit. As The Scientist explains, venoms are an incredibly complex assortment of proteins and peptides, developed over several millennia or so of evolution. Animal venom may prevent blood from clotting, for example, or shut down nerve cells. In the right circumstances, such functions may be highly useful for medicine.

This isnít a new idea. Several venom-derived drugs are already approved on the market, The Scientist says, including a painkiller and medications for cardiovascular disease. One drug for hypertension was modeled after pit viper venom.
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What I agree with is science missed the mark.
How did they miss the mark?
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:32 PM
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LOL

wrong on something is wrong on something when they said all along they were right


You Liberals have a tough time with the concept of responsibility don't ya ?
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranger77 View Post
LOL

wrong on something is wrong on something when they said all along they were right


You Liberals have a tough time with the concept of responsibility don't ya ?
Science won.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...ial-trans-fat/


"No one was more pleased by the Food and Drug Administration's decision Tuesday to eliminate artificial trans fats from the U.S. food supply than Fred Kummerow, a 100-year-old University of Illinois professor who has warned about the dangers of the artery-clogging substance for nearly six decades.

"Science won out," Kummerow, who sued the FDA in 2013 for not acting sooner, said in an interview from his home in Illinois. "It's very important that we don't have this in our diet."
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:01 PM
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after saying for decades it was fine now kudo's for saying its not

responsibility for actions - I know its a new concept for Liberal's but one of these days, try it on for size

by allowing transfats in our food chain, we've allowed hundreds of thousands or more to die


pretty damn b ig mistake huh ?
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:45 PM
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after saying for decades it was fine now kudo's for saying its not
Bingo. If they weren't wrong, they wouldn't have to change.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:25 AM
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You guys assume that it was scientists at the FDA who approved the stuff in the first place rather than appointed political hacks kowtowing to their bosses' campaign contributors.
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