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Old 07-28-2011, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ipscshooter View Post
So, on this issue, at least, Dr. Paul appears to be the "deep" thinker.
Deep eh ? Well, I would not want to dive head first into THAT wading pool !
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bergall View Post
hmm....here's my indictment.....

Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Wall Street is dumping its trouble onto Main Street. (Sep 2008)
Mortgage & Financial Institutions Trust: more of the same. (Sep 2008)
Lower interest rates CAUSED housing bubble & can’t solve it. (Jan 2008)
Weak economy is source of resentment against immigrants. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Opposes death penalty at state and federal level. (Jan 2008)
Changed opinion to anti-death penalty due to many mistakes. (Sep 2007)
Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography. (Sep 2007)
Opposes the death penalty. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on enforcing against anti-gay hate crimes. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
We don't need laws to tell us to not use heroin. (May 2011)
Repeal most federal drug laws; blacks are treated unfairly. (Sep 2007)
Inner-city minorities are punished unfairly in war on drugs. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
Rated A by VOTE-HEMP, indicating a pro-hemp voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated +30 by NORML, indicating a pro-drug-reform stance. (Dec 2006)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Cut off all foreign aid to Israel & to Arabs. (Dec 2007)
Get out of South Korea and let two Koreas unify. (Dec 2007)

it goes on and on....but I find I agree with more than I disagree with, but then again, the disagreements tend to define my outlook on him....

I think it's moot because I definitely believe he is unelectable for the simple fact that the perception of Ron Paul by the public is, right or wrong, insurmountable.

Thank you IP....I will continue to look thru the 2 links....lots of info there....
OnTheIssues is great if you want to see HOW a candidate voted on a bill....but not WHY. Its my experience that Paul will vote down a bill that supports something he agrees with if it contains anything else significant that he doesn't agree with. Take the Cut Cap & Balance Act for example, sure that might have been a "victory" for Republicans to pass, but it included raising the debt ceiling and he said he wouldn't vote on anything that raised it (plus it wouldn't really fix anything anyway). If you REALLY want to understand Paul's view on the issues, read his book "Liberty Defined". It doesn't cover ALL issues but a pretty good hunk of it, then you will better understand his views/positions/votes.
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bergall View Post
Don't move next door to a school.....
When I moved to my affluent suburb north of Dallas in 1996 there were 35,000 residents here. Now there are 112,000 residents. Guess what. They are building schools like crazy here. My son went to a new Middle School. He went to a first new high school, quite close to existing residential homes. He went to a second new high school for his junior and senior years, again quite close to existing residential homes. My youngest daughter has been going to yet a different new middle school near existing residential homes. I don't think these homes are grandfathered in by the school zone gun exclusion, are they?
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Alsatian View Post
When I moved to my affluent suburb north of Dallas in 1996 there were 35,000 residents here. Now there are 112,000 residents. Guess what. They are building schools like crazy here. My son went to a new Middle School. He went to a first new high school, quite close to existing residential homes. He went to a second new high school for his junior and senior years, again quite close to existing residential homes. My youngest daughter has been going to yet a different new middle school near existing residential homes. I don't think these homes are grandfathered in by the school zone gun exclusion, are they?

I don't think there is a need for grandfathering. The statute provides a number of exceptions, one of which is as follows:

(B) Subparagraph (A) shall does not apply to the
possession of a firearmó
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

Thus, you're allowed to have one in your home, even if it's within 1000 feet of a school. Not sure, though, how the rules apply if you are on a public road driving to your home. Looks like in that instance, it might have to be unloaded and in a locked case.

http://www.gunlaws.com/Gun_Free_School_Zones_Act.pdf
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Old 07-29-2011, 04:49 AM
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Unnecessary, short-sighted complications are daunting and they just tick me off.
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Old 07-29-2011, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kansasdeerhunter View Post
OnTheIssues is great if you want to see HOW a candidate voted on a bill....but not WHY. Its my experience that Paul will vote down a bill that supports something he agrees with if it contains anything else significant that he doesn't agree with. Take the Cut Cap & Balance Act for example, sure that might have been a "victory" for Republicans to pass, but it included raising the debt ceiling and he said he wouldn't vote on anything that raised it (plus it wouldn't really fix anything anyway). If you REALLY want to understand Paul's view on the issues, read his book "Liberty Defined". It doesn't cover ALL issues but a pretty good hunk of it, then you will better understand his views/positions/votes.
It is one criticism I picked up in going thru the site....but for me it's still moot. Paul does not have the support to make him a viable candidate, regardless of his positions. I cannot support him, if it would mean handing another, Obama-capable candidate the short end of the stick. Gotta vote to get Obama out of office before I can afford to vote my conscience, even if I did support Ron Paul.....
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bergall View Post
It is one criticism I picked up in going thru the site....but for me it's still moot. Paul does not have the support to make him a viable candidate, regardless of his positions. I cannot support him, if it would mean handing another, Obama-capable candidate the short end of the stick. Gotta vote to get Obama out of office before I can afford to vote my conscience, even if I did support Ron Paul.....
I don't understand why people say he doesn't have the support to be a viable candidate. Most the polls I see have him trailing Romney, Palin and Bachmann. Romney is a RINO and will not fix anything if he's elected, in fact I'm guessing this is who the left is pulling for to win the GOP nomination. Palin? Please, tossing aside all the other reasons not to vote for her...she ran as VP under McCain. MCCAIN! Bachman may be the only candidate other than Paul worthy of a nomination...and that's still debatable
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:05 AM
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His qualifications are not withstanding. The best candidate does not always get the nod, not that I think he's best.....but he's not even close to Romney who's the front-runner.
I'd like to see Bachmann as she's the Tea Party candidate....but it'll be Romney.
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