jessejmc1979

I have been a member since I was 16 (14 years ago). My dad bought my first year and told me after that it was my responsibility to renew every year. Well I have done that and I must be one of the super members because I get maybe 1 letter per month, never had a phone call and never have gotten an email. So why is it I wonder that they pick on some people with "tons" of junk mail when all of the people that are passionate about there gun rights and members are all saying they don't get alot of junk mail. Must be a conspiracy. All of the arrogant people that think the "little common sense laws" are good will be the first ones whining and pretty surprised when these laws snowball into socialism type laws. Just look north to Canada. They'll show you the way you titewads are headed.

Steve863

Typical NRA bullcrap. They NRA type will point to Switzerland as having and armed populace and lower crime rate than ours, but fail to mention that Japan has one of the most restrictive gun laws and murders or any crime is almost non existent in comparison to us or Switzerland. Plus the armed folks in Switzerland are ALL professionally trained in the use of firearms. Unlike in our nation where any idiot can go to Walmart and buy weapons without knowing which end to point. I have no doubt that the way we acquire guns in this country would NOT swing with most gun owners in Switzerland.

Steve863

Right, I don't walk lock step with you and your beloved NRA and thus I shouldn't be allowed to own a gun at all? You are worse than the liberals you so despise.

Howler

The point is that by just taking away guns, that WILL NOT END MURDER! BUT our liberal thinking friends come up with the phrase that "if it would only save one life, wouldn't it be worth it." and the simple answer is HELL NO, because every time a new law is put into place, we loose that much more freedom, and evetually we'll have none left.
And for those that say they donate to hunting groups only instead of the NRA, don't confuse the two. Hunting is a privaledge and gun ownership is a right. Without one, there won't be the other.

LBR

Nope--facts are facts, whether you like them or not. I was referring to places in the U.S., not foreign countries--apples to apples, not peanuts to cumcumbers.

Here's a few stats to chew on from the CATO Institute.

"The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns."

"Numerous studies have been conducted on the effects of waiting periods, both before and after the federal Brady bill was passed in 1993. Those studies consistently show that there is no correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates. Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found that "waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or gun suicides." "

Here is part of an excellent read from http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp

"In 1976, Washington, D.C., instituted one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. The murder rate since that time has risen 134 percent (77.8 per 100,000 population) while the overall rate for the country has declined 2 percent. Washington, D.C., politicians find it easy to blame Virginia’s less-stringent gun laws for the D.C. murder rate. Yet Virginia Beach, Virginia’s largest city with almost 400,000 residents, has had one of the lowest rates of murder in the country — 4.1 per 100,000. "

Simply put Steve, the facts are against you. Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens, not criminals. That seems to be the part that people like you can't comprehend.

Drugs like heroin, cocain, meth, LSD, etc. are totally illegal, yet the country is swamped with them. Do you really think passing another law against them will help anything?

Chad

Steve863

All I want is some uniformity in gun laws of this nation. What is legal or illegal should hold for ALL states. I am also against transferring privately sold firearms without a background check of the buyer. A gun bought at a retailer that went thru a background check can in many cases be sold to anyone the next day without any questions asked. Also all sales at gun shows should be with background checks. I guarantee this would REDUCE crime in this country no matter what crap the NRA tries to brainwash people with. A good many guns would be put out of reach of the criminal element if these simple steps were abided by.

LBR

Evidently you missed this. Let me try again.

Drugs like heroin, cocain, meth, LSD, etc. are totally illegal, yet the country is swamped with them. Do you really think passing another law against them will help anything?


Chad

Howler

Whatever you say Steve, like criminals line up to buy guns at gun shows all the time, like they don't have any other avenue to buy them from.
Fact is, you could get your president to pass a law ending all guns sells tomorrow, and guess what, criminals that wanted guns would find an avenue to buy guns. Imagine that...a black market....ya ever heard of that...

Doe Dumper

LBR notice his argument changed when you hammered him with facts? Now who'da seen that coming...

LBR

Yeah--that happens when you rely on feelings and opinions rather than facts.

Our gripes with the NRA are totally different. Seems he doesn't like the NRA because the NRA puts out facts about how impotent gun laws are, and I'd bet because they generally endorse Republicans because the national dem platform is anti-gun. That's just a guess though.

My gripe is much simpler. I believe in most of what the NRA stands for concerning guns and gun rights, I just hate to see my hard-earned money wasted rather than put to good use--therefore I donate it to clubs and organizations that have shown me they will put it to good use, rather than waste it. It would seem that not everyone has had the same experience with the NRA that I have, but others have had basically the exact same experiences.

A time or two some folks that I respect have chimed in on this thread that made me think about giving the NRA another chance (if I re-joined, it would be the third or fourth time), but then someone comes along that claims to be a member that turns me against it again.

I'm still debating on it...as long as I don't get punked again like DBH got me...