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Old 05-17-2010, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ipscshooter View Post
Understood. I hadn't heard that there had been a problem. I'm not aware of what his contract with Fox says, but, when they "ordered him home" they may have also said "we'll deal with the public relations issue, not you."
Yes, that's very possible. I even considered the possibility that they -his controllers- lied to him as well. Maybe they told him that there was an emergency and they'll explain things on the plane. It was crazy. He was there doing his book signing and minutes before his live show was to start he disappears, and the tea party organizers were being told that there was an emergency that Hannity had to follow up on.

It's just irritating though, because he still hasn't made any statements about it (not that I've heard anyway). I'm guessing he was told to keep his mouth shut. Either way, his contract is obviously more important than his supposed 'cause'. I generally don't have time to listen to his radio show but I did the next day just to see what his excuse would be. He didn't mention it. Not once. He didn't take any calls on the topic either. Like I said, there were 10,000 - 12,000 people who showed up at that tea party meeting. I have to imagine that at least a few of them would have called the show to ask for an explanation.
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Wub View Post

I'm guessing he was told to keep his mouth shut. Either way, his contract is obviously more important than his supposed 'cause'.
I understand the frustration with the lack of explanation. But, he likely was, for whatever reason, told not to talk about it. I'm not sure that that automatically leads to the conclusion that "his contract is obviously more important than his supposed 'cause'." Without his contract, he loses his platform from which he is able to spread his views to millions daily. To quote Mr. Spock... "The needs of the many (i.e. the U.S. electorate) outweigh the needs of the few (i.e. the Cincinnati Tea Party), or the one (i.e. Sean Hannity)."
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Old 05-17-2010, 11:20 AM
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I know it's the inexperienced and overly zealous part of me saying this, but in his listeners' eyes, it is the willingness to do and say what is right, no matter the consequences, that attracts them to Hannity. I can't imagine that Fox would have canceled him for going out in front of those fans and making a simple statement. He has the ears of the people, and those corporate fat-cats know it.

IMHO, it's evidence of his lack of character. It shows that even those on top are willing to compromise their personal principles in the interest of keeping them within their comfort zone. I've known this about Hannity since the first time I've listened to his radio show. This tea party incident is just more proof. He talks a big game on his radio show, but the only callers who get past his screeners are morons who my 10 year old could out debate (I do admit however, liberals who could out debate my 10 year old are very limited). As soon as a caller gets the better of Hannity, rather than having the debate, he turns the caller off, makes a crazy statement and then acts like the caller hung up. I'm sure he is a moderate conservative, but he's still just a performer. He doesn't truly believe everything he preaches. If he did, he'd at least admit that he's under a gag order or something. Again, I'm not surprised about any of this. I just don't think it's fair to true patriots to group Hannity with them. I don't know about Rush. I haven't seen anything from Rush that would make me think ill of him.
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Old 05-17-2010, 12:15 PM
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Now, while I listen to O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity and a few others, there is no doubt these people are, first and foremost, ENTERTAINERS. They can start a 'cause', but that cause is usually self-serving first and foremost; any side benefits to society are just that. Side benefits. Beck started the TEA PARTY movement....it launched him pretty far and pretty fast...but as a side benefit, the TEA PARTY is now in a position to influence the national platoform of the Republican party, under threat of splitting the vote with a 3rd party. That's a side benefit...Beck is a millionaire, many times over. The only thing I will say about these folks is that it is absolutely crucial for them to present ACCURATE information...they can spin it any way they see fit, but if they present anything untruthful their goose is cooked; the left will be all over 'em, and they lose credibility. So it's a two-edged sword. Yes, they're showmen. Yes, just like everyone else, they're worried about the paycheck. And just like all of us, if we don't do a good job, we'll be out on our keester lookin' for work. IMO, of course.
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Old 05-17-2010, 03:05 PM
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Definitions of socialism
  • a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
  • an economic system based on state ownership of capital
Who do you think owns federal and state forests, the Blm, some utilities and a host of other enties that is beneficial to all of us?
I guess you'll blame Obama for this as well???









The government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) are a group of financial services corporations created by the United States Congress. Congress created the first GSE in 1916 with the creation of the Farm Credit System; it initiated GSEs in the home finance segment of the economy with the creation of the Federal Home Loan Banks in 1932. The residential mortgage borrowing segment is by far the largest of the borrowing segments in which the GSEs operate. Together, the three mortgage finance GSEs (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the 12 Federal Home Loan Banks) have several trillion dollars.The federal government possesses warrants which, if exercised, would allow them to take a 79.9% ownership share in the companies. The federal government has not currently exercised these warrants. Government sponsored enterprises include:The Federal Government chartered and owned corporations include


National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak)

The Federal Government acquired corporations that were not chartered or created by the Federal Government, but the Government has come into possession of & operates. These fall into two categories: incidental government corporations, those corporations temporarily in possession of the Government as a result of a seizure of property of a debtor to the Government, and government-acquired corporations, which are corporations whose stock or assets have been purchased by the Federal Government, as a result of the corporation being adjudged too big to fail, or, that their liquidation would present too much of a systemic risk to the total economy to allow the corporation to be liquidated, bankrupted, These include:There exists a second level of sovereign government in the United States after the Federal Government, those of the several States of the US, who compose the United States. State governments are bodies sovereign, like the Federal Government, and other sovereigns; they have sovereign existence deriving from the consent of the sovereign people of their territories who created them and wrote their State Constitution; they are not bodies corporate, as they are not created by the acquis of the Federal Government and exist with or without that Government's consent. As sovereigns, they have the power to hold radical title to land, to exercise the four fundamental powers, taxation, eminent domain, police power, and escheat, as well as numerous other powers, including the power to grant charters, and implicit in that power to charter is the power to charter corporations, which they do, extensively. The very vast majority of non-governmental corporations in the United States are chartered by the States of the US, and not the Federal Government, this includes most charitable corporations (though some charities of national repute are chartered by the Federal Government, and not by a State government), non-profit corporations, and for-profit corporations. States, as sovereigns, also have the power to charter corporations that they own, control, or are responsible for the regulation and finance of. These include municipal corporations and State chartered and owned corporations. Municipal corporations are public corporations that have devolved, democratic control over local matters within a geographic region; they are often styled villages, towns, townships, cities, or counties. Though these municipal corporations are often regulated and sometimes financed by the State government, and often can collect taxes, they are arms-length, non-sovereign, devolved public entities, and a State government which charters them is not legally responsible for their debts in the event of a municipal bankruptcy. State government chartered and owned corporations are numerous and provide public services. Examples include North Dakota Mill and Elevator or South Dakota Public Broadcasting. Generally speaking, a statute passed by a state legislature specifically sets up a government-owned company in order to undertake a specific public purpose with public funds or public property. Lotteries in the United States are also run by government corporations, such as the Georgia Lottery Corporation and many others.

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Originally Posted by spudrow View Post
Definitions of socialism
  • a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
  • an economic system based on state ownership of capital
Who do you think owns federal and state forests, the Blm, some utilities and a host of other enties that is beneficial to all of us?
I guess you'll blame Obama for this as well???


The government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) are a group of financial services corporations created by the United States Congress. Congress created the first GSE in 1916 with the creation of the Farm Credit System; it initiated GSEs in the home finance segment of the economy with the creation of the Federal Home Loan Banks in 1932. The residential mortgage borrowing segment is by far the largest of the borrowing segments in which the GSEs operate. Together, the three mortgage finance GSEs (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the 12 Federal Home Loan Banks) have several trillion dollars.The federal government possesses warrants which, if exercised, would allow them to take a 79.9% ownership share in the companies. The federal government has not currently exercised these warrants. Government sponsored enterprises include:The Federal Government chartered and owned corporations include


National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak)

The Federal Government acquired corporations that were not chartered or created by the Federal Government, but the Government has come into possession of & operates. These fall into two categories: incidental government corporations, those corporations temporarily in possession of the Government as a result of a seizure of property of a debtor to the Government, and government-acquired corporations, which are corporations whose stock or assets have been purchased by the Federal Government, as a result of the corporation being adjudged too big to fail, or, that their liquidation would present too much of a systemic risk to the total economy to allow the corporation to be liquidated, bankrupted, These include:There exists a second level of sovereign government in the United States after the Federal Government, those of the several States of the US, who compose the United States. State governments are bodies sovereign, like the Federal Government, and other sovereigns; they have sovereign existence deriving from the consent of the sovereign people of their territories who created them and wrote their State Constitution; they are not bodies corporate, as they are not created by the acquis of the Federal Government and exist with or without that Government's consent. As sovereigns, they have the power to hold radical title to land, to exercise the four fundamental powers, taxation, eminent domain, police power, and escheat, as well as numerous other powers, including the power to grant charters, and implicit in that power to charter is the power to charter corporations, which they do, extensively. The very vast majority of non-governmental corporations in the United States are chartered by the States of the US, and not the Federal Government, this includes most charitable corporations (though some charities of national repute are chartered by the Federal Government, and not by a State government), non-profit corporations, and for-profit corporations. States, as sovereigns, also have the power to charter corporations that they own, control, or are responsible for the regulation and finance of. These include municipal corporations and State chartered and owned corporations. Municipal corporations are public corporations that have devolved, democratic control over local matters within a geographic region; they are often styled villages, towns, townships, cities, or counties. Though these municipal corporations are often regulated and sometimes financed by the State government, and often can collect taxes, they are arms-length, non-sovereign, devolved public entities, and a State government which charters them is not legally responsible for their debts in the event of a municipal bankruptcy. State government chartered and owned corporations are numerous and provide public services. Examples include North Dakota Mill and Elevator or South Dakota Public Broadcasting. Generally speaking, a statute passed by a state legislature specifically sets up a government-owned company in order to undertake a specific public purpose with public funds or public property. Lotteries in the United States are also run by government corporations, such as the Georgia Lottery Corporation and many others.

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Uh....so ? The stink is STILL coming from the left. Blithering Barry is not the first socialist to come to power, but he is, I believe the MOST radical Marxist in American history to occupy a position of national power. The past does not necessarily justify the future...especially a future which is opposed by over 60% of the electorate.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bergall View Post
Now, while I listen to O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity and a few others, there is no doubt these people are, first and foremost, ENTERTAINERS.
No first and foremost, these guys are educators and news anchors. Just because they skillfully use entertainment in order to keep their audience tuned in, doesn't detract from what they do well. Rush's audience has been documented as the best informed audience in regards to the political news hands down. To say they are just entertainers does a disservice to what the accomplish.

Furthermore, for folks to complain about Hannity not participating in a political rally is just crazy. The Tea Party movement is grass roots. It's not about Fox News or ABC Radio. If Hannity had gone there and been the big draw, it would have deligitmadized what really is going on.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:55 PM
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That's life in general. These guys don't corner the market on information.
There you go again making a unsubstantiated claim. What hatred? What progress is being impeded?
Wrong. What you call a quagmire, I call good because I hope nothing gets done. Everytiome DC meets, we loose more of our freedoms. Please tell me what are you willing to give up? Do you believe abortion is murder? If you do, when is it ok? Do you believe in stealing or endorse slavery? Tell me at what point is it going to far to forcibly take someone's had earned money, the fruits of their labor, just to turn it over to someone who did absolutely nothing to earn it or has any right to it?
Hey Gris, still waiting for an answer!
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:04 PM
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Furthermore, for folks to complain about Hannity not participating in a political rally is just crazy. The Tea Party movement is grass roots. It's not about Fox News or ABC Radio. If Hannity had gone there and been the big draw, it would have deligitmadized what really is going on.
Oh, I agree 100%. I was very disappointed when I found out Hannity was going to be there. He has no place at these town meetings, with the exception maybe of his town. I know I'm making too big of a deal out of it. It's just that they [Fox] ordered him home and he tucked his tail and ran. I personally never expected more from him. If he did come out in person to tell us what was happening however, I would have had a renewed respect for him. I agree that what he does on his radio show and tv show are great for America. I just get irritated when he's referred to as a "Great Patriot". He's cleaning up and he's worried first and foremost about the money. To say otherwise is wrong. 5 Joes died this morning in Afghanistan; they're great patriots and they were working for about $40,000 a year.
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:09 PM
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I just get irritated when he's referred to as a "Great Patriot". He's cleaning up and he's worried first and foremost about the money.
The way it should be in America. Name a more successful system in the world?
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