Politics Nothing goes with politics quite like crying and complaining, and we're a perfect example of that.

kids poll

Old 11-01-2008, 05:53 PM
  #21  
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: pennsylvania
Posts: 3,248
Default RE: kids poll

so, if there was a hypothetical national referendum, wherein i could vote to
a) outlaw all capital punsihment, or
b) allow the states to individually determine whether they would allow capital punishment;

and i voted b)...would i be voting in favor of capital punishment?
if you answer in the affirmative,

considerfurther, b) was the winning proposition on the referendum. my state had a follow-up referendum, with the following proposition: should capital punishment be lawful in this state:
a) yes
b) no.

i vote b). does this have any impact on your original answer?
boysda is offline  
Old 11-01-2008, 07:05 PM
  #22  
Nontypical Buck
 
2 Lunger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,558
Default RE: kids poll

ORIGINAL: mudhead1s wife

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter

ORIGINAL: mudhead1s wife

I was looking through the school work that my daughter brought home today and one was a Weekly News Reader. It was on elections and had a picture of Obama and one of McCain. It said John McCain wants to be president. He is a Republican senator from Arizona. He has worked to help people in his state.
Bootom of page gives info on the white house.
Barack Obama wants to be president. He is a Democratic senator from Illinois. He has worked to help people in his state.
Bottom right hand corner: Teachers: Every student gets to vote in the weekly reader Presidential Election Poll. Look at page 3 of your Election Kit, or go to www.weeklyreader.com to see how to participate.

It says that over 125,000 young students and teens voted and Barack Obama won, it then goes on to say that the poll has been right 13 out of the last 14 presidents.

I plan on calling Ariel's teacher tomorrow and asking what kind of facts are presented to the kids, is it from script? Or do the teachers use their own descretion?

This prompted a discussion with my 8 year old, and I asked him, would you vote for Michele Bachman or Al Franken, he said Al Franken cause I heard a lot about him, he has a ad where he is teaching. So I said do you know what he stands for? He said no. So I explained the differences to him, and then Isaac said Oh I wouldn't vote for Al Franken then mom because he thinks it's okay to hurt babies and I used to be a baby. Here is how I explained abortion. I told him that when a woman has a baby in her belly she doesn't always want to keep that baby because she isn't ready for a baby. He then asks than why did she get a baby in her belly? My reply was that she made a mistake, was misinformed, she wasn't thinking about her consequences. "OH" So then I said that sometimes women who are pregnant decide to get what is called an abortion. An abortion is when the doctor performs a medical procedure that makes the baby die. He then said so they kill the baby? Why don't they give the baby to someone who is ready and will love it? And I'll stop there.

He then asked about the president? I said the president does not believe in abortion. He then asked about the canidates. He said I am definately voting John McCain. I then had to remind him that he couldn't vote. He's still unhappy about not voting.
Did you explain to him that "son, Barack Obama (unless you've spoken with him personally) may not support abortion and that he only believes that it is not the government's job to make the decision women"?? Did you watch the 3rd debate? It was Barack Obama who said that I agree with the banon partial birth abortion except when medicallynecessary.It's called a ceasarean birth, and the doctors do what they can to save the baby. It is candy coated and it's bull. I believe Obama also voted that underage girls should be able to get abortions without parental consent or notification. And what happens when this teenage girl doesn't stop bleeding and is afraid to go to her parents in fear that they will find out? And you think abortion is a good thing? Did you explain to him that, "son, John McCain is putting more faith in the federal government than he does in the women of America including your own mother" ?? John McCain is no dummy, he knows abortion will not go away all together, and I don't see him getting it over turned if he gets into office. I've accepted that. But here is the thing that you DO NOT GET, nor will you probably ever. Abortion is a lie, it is a pipedream. Women are being told that this is an easy way to fix the problem. They are uneducated about it. Abortion messes up women and they live in regret of what they did.
When a woman has a miscarriage, she has to go to the doctor or hospital and have a DNC. This is where they do the same thing they would in an abortion. They stick a metal rod into the uterus and scrape out the remaining parts of the baby. It is no walk in the park. You have risk of infection, risk of uncontrollable bleeding. This procedure is just as dangerous as a cesearean birth. In a cesearean, the mom is given an epideral and it numbs them from the chest down, the anestheologist stays in the OR right next to you the whole time and moniters your heart rate, your oxygen ect. The doctor than will make an incision usually 13 to 15 cm long just above the pubic bone and the mom feels the pressure of the doctor delivering the baby.A team of docs and nurses are waiting for the baby, and the OB will thenplace the sutures.It has the same recovery as natural birth.
In the case of a partial birth abortion the doctors will enducelabor with a medication called patossin (not sure of correct spelling) This medication can have serioussideeffects ecspecially if the woman has had a cesearean before. It can cause the membranes to rupture with ahigh risk of death if that happens. The doctor then uses a device to suck the brain out of the babieshead. The baby is then discarded, thrown away like a piece of trash. There is nothing glamorous about this procedure.

You have never and will never go through a procedurelike that and will never understand what these proceduresdo to women for that reason. Emotionally women walk away messed up all the time.

It should not be legal for a minor to recieve an abortion without parental consent.My daughter cannot walk into a store and buy cigarettes until she is 18. She cannot buy lighters or lighter fluid until she is 18. She cannot buy nail polish remover with acetone in it until she turns 18. She cannot buy alcohol until she is 21, yet many on the democratic ticket want my daughter at 16 to be able to legally make a decision without her parents on a matter of life and death. You call that "putting more faith in Gov." I call that looking out for the teenage girl.

And what about fathers rights? HUH Do you not care that you as a man are not guaranteed rights until the baby is born and the courts acknowledge your rights? What about the man who want that child that HE HELPED CREATE. What about thatman, half of the babies DNA is his. But the gov. says he has no right. Maybe you are okay with having that right stripped from you. Maybe you are okay that if you have a boy someday that his right was stripped away, but I am not.
My brother should have another child. But he doesn't because his girlfriend said she refused to keep the baby. She refused to let him care for HIS child by HIMSELF after the baby was born. He still wonders if he would have had a boy or a girl. He still wonders what his child wouldlook like. He still wonders what day would be his childs birthday. What they would have liked. But he doesn't get to know because she tookthat from him. And the thing of it is most women whom I have talked tothat have had an abortion ask themselves the same questions that my brother does. The same questions that a mom who would have kept her baby but had a miscarriage does, and you tell me that women are being properly educated on what abortion is, and that it is right for a teenage girl to make this decision with out her parents who are legally responsible for her.
Well spoken!!!
2 Lunger is offline  
Old 11-01-2008, 07:07 PM
  #23  
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: South of Mason-Dixon
Posts: 1,395
Default RE: kids poll


ORIGINAL: boysda

so, if there was a hypothetical national referendum, wherein i could vote to
a) outlaw all capital punsihment, or
b) allow the states to individually determine whether they would allow capital punishment;

and i voted b)...would i be voting in favor of capital punishment?
if you answer in the affirmative,

consider further, b) was the winning proposition on the referendum. my state had a follow-up referendum, with the following proposition: should capital punishment be lawful in this state:
a) yes
b) no.

i vote b). does this have any impact on your original answer?
Apples/oranges.
Griswold is offline  
Old 11-01-2008, 08:43 PM
  #24  
Typical Buck
 
Icetrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Navasota Texas
Posts: 854
Default RE: kids poll

At my high school 65% voted Obama.



Needless to say(no offense), 50% of the school is black and another 10% or so are hispanic...
Icetrey is offline  
Old 11-01-2008, 09:56 PM
  #25  
Fork Horn
 
kybuck20032001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location:
Posts: 248
Default RE: kids poll

You with out a doubt support the right of a women to murder a father's child, because you are always saying womens right, but I never hear you say parents rights, or fathers rights. Wonder if you will change you mind about a women's right to choose if you found a women you were crazy about, and somewhere down the road she exercised her right to choose.

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter

whoaa, I just found this thread again after a couple of days. i apologize for those who i offended, however, I will not apologize for knowing what many of you seem to fail to grasp: the actual meaning of pro-choice. I myself do not support the act of abortion and I'd like to hope that I'm never involved in such a situation, however, I do not believe it is the governments job to make this decision for women which makes me pro-choice. So for those of you saying "will you hold the cells" blah,blah, blah that is just irreleveant because I do not support the act itsself.

and, whoever said this isn't a ethics case or what not, thats exactly what you all made it when you said "would you hold the cells" or "its a baby being killed." No, that's not what I'm talking about, i'm talking about the political definition of pro-choice. some of you still can't seem to get that
kybuck20032001 is offline  
Old 11-01-2008, 10:18 PM
  #26  
Nontypical Buck
 
VAhuntr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: VA, USA
Posts: 3,116
Default RE: kids poll

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter

whoaa, I just found this thread again after a couple of days. i apologize for those who i offended, however, I will not apologize for knowing what many of you seem to fail to grasp: the actual meaning of pro-choice. I myself do not support the act of abortion and I'd like to hope that I'm never involved in such a situation, however, I do not believe it is the governments job to make this decision for women which makes me pro-choice. So for those of you saying "will you hold the cells" blah,blah, blah that is just irreleveant because I do not support the act itsself.

and, whoever said this isn't a ethics case or what not, thats exactly what you all made it when you said "would you hold the cells" or "its a baby being killed." No, that's not what I'm talking about, i'm talking about the political definition of pro-choice. some of you still can't seem to get that
He just rides the fence with this "pro-choice" crap like he does with everything else. Obama flip flops more than a fish out of water[:@].
VAhuntr is offline  
Old 11-02-2008, 04:01 AM
  #27  
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: pennsylvania
Posts: 3,248
Default RE: kids poll

ORIGINAL: Griswold

ORIGINAL: boysda

so, if there was a hypothetical national referendum, wherein i could vote to
a) outlaw all capital punsihment, or
b) allow the states to individually determine whether they would allow capital punishment;

and i voted b)...would i be voting in favor of capital punishment?
if you answer in the affirmative,

considerfurther, b) was the winning proposition on the referendum. my state had a follow-up referendum, with the following proposition: should capital punishment be lawful in this state:
a) yes
b) no.

i vote b). does this have any impact on your original answer?
Apples/oranges.

oh, come on! give a dog a bone here. it's at least a nectarine to a peach. maybe even a tangerine to an orange.
boysda is offline  
Old 11-02-2008, 06:29 PM
  #28  
Nontypical Buck
 
Vizsla Vince's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: West Chicago, Il
Posts: 1,081
Default RE: kids poll

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
Did you explain to him that "son, Barack Obama (unless you've spoken with him personally) may not support abortion and that he only believes that it is not the government's job to make the decision women"?? Did you explain to him that, "son, John McCain is putting more faith in the federal government than he does in the women of America including your own mother" ??
Did you explain to him that Obama won't even stand up for the rights of a child who survives an abortion? Did you explain to him that Obama views children as "punishment" ? Did you explain to him that Obama has NO problem looking the other way while over 3000 babies are needlessly murdered each and every day??

Take the wool off your eyes, dude. "Pro-choice" is a lie if ever there was one. Either you're pro-life, or you're pro-abortion. If you're going to stand for something, stand up for it. If not, then sit down & shut up!
Vizsla Vince is offline  
Old 11-02-2008, 07:20 PM
  #29  
Nontypical Buck
 
wahoohunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: charlottesville, virginia
Posts: 1,732
Default RE: kids poll

ORIGINAL: Vizsla Vince

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
Did you explain to him that "son, Barack Obama (unless you've spoken with him personally) may not support abortion and that he only believes that it is not the government's job to make the decision women"?? Did you explain to him that, "son, John McCain is putting more faith in the federal government than he does in the women of America including your own mother" ??
Did you explain to him that Obama won't even stand up for the rights of a child who survives an abortion? Did you explain to him that Obama views children as "punishment" ? Did you explain to him that Obama has NO problem looking the other way while over 3000 babies are needlessly murdered each and every day??

Take the wool off your eyes, dude. "Pro-choice" is a lie if ever there was one. Either you're pro-life, or you're pro-abortion. If you're going to stand for something, stand up for it. If not, then sit down & shut up!
Ignorance is bliss bud, except in this case, a little reading and education would help you make the transfer from cocky ignorance to a miserable uncertainty. Think about it.
wahoohunter is offline  
Old 11-02-2008, 07:40 PM
  #30  
Nontypical Buck
 
Vizsla Vince's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: West Chicago, Il
Posts: 1,081
Default RE: kids poll

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter

ORIGINAL: Vizsla Vince

ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
Did you explain to him that "son, Barack Obama (unless you've spoken with him personally) may not support abortion and that he only believes that it is not the government's job to make the decision women"?? Did you explain to him that, "son, John McCain is putting more faith in the federal government than he does in the women of America including your own mother" ??
Did you explain to him that Obama won't even stand up for the rights of a child who survives an abortion? Did you explain to him that Obama views children as "punishment" ? Did you explain to him that Obama has NO problem looking the other way while over 3000 babies are needlessly murdered each and every day??

Take the wool off your eyes, dude. "Pro-choice" is a lie if ever there was one. Either you're pro-life, or you're pro-abortion. If you're going to stand for something, stand up for it. If not, then sit down & shut up!
Ignorance is bliss bud, except in this case, a little reading and education would help you make the transfer from cocky ignorance to a miserable uncertainty. Think about it.
I certainly agree with you that ignorance is bliss. Ignorance of the populace has been one of the most powerful tools of the pro-abortion movement. They have cloaked their agenda in a benign term: "pro-choice". After all, don't we all want the freedom of choice? I want to be free to choose which movie to rent. I want to be free to choose boxers or briefs. I want to be free to choose Winchester or Remington.
My point is that one needs to take a stand. Either you stand up for those who can't defend themselves or you don't. If you're the type of guy who can walk upon a woman getting raped in an alley, & simply put your hands in your pockets & stroll along, then, fine. Say so. I'm not that type. As far as being educated on the subject, I think you ought to educate yourself on how often abortion is used as a form of birth control as opposed to any other reason.
The term "pro-choice" is a deceptive term which has been used to lull people into looking the other way with a falseclear conscience. And you've bought it hook, line, & sinker.
Vizsla Vince is offline  

Quick Reply: kids poll


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.