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Old 10-28-2008, 05:38 PM
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All I know is that every election that I've ever been a part of has had the Republicans saying that the Democrats will take away my guns and I've yet to see any of this come to fruition. Listen, I'm about as pro-gun as you can get, but this "The Democrats want our guns" is getting comical.

I can hear some of you guys now. "Man, the economy is in shambles and my 401k is absolutely dilluted, but by God, I have my guns!" I've come to realize that "having myguns" isn't the absolute most important thing that I should be worried about right now.
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:14 PM
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All I know is that every election that I've ever been a part of has had the Republicans saying that the Democrats will take away my guns and I've yet to see any of this come to fruition. Listen, I'm about as pro-gun as you can get, but this "The Democrats want our guns" is getting comical.

I can hear some of you guys now. "Man, the economy is in shambles and my 401k is absolutely dilluted, but by God, I have my guns!" I've come to realize that "having myguns" isn't the absolute most important thing that I should be worried about right now.
I am sorry if I make someone mad but this is the way I fell.
Will I look at it this way I made money before I can do it again. It’s not that heard to make money all you need to do is use your brain. (I sit back and Laugh when the Democrats and the press starts telling people we are in a recession and they believe them and all the people that got them self in bad loans) If you can tell I don’t feel bad for any idiot that cannot manage their own money. So to me we should not have to bell them out.
So to me the 2nd Amendment is the only issues we need to talk about.



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Old 10-28-2008, 07:06 PM
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Think this over if you think oasma is no threat to gun owners. The big second amendment case this year went gun owners way BY ONE VOTE. One liberal judge is all he needs to appoint and that case would have gone the exact opposite way. What part of that do gun owners that would vote liberal not understand. If the 2nd ammendment is not their top priority then maybe I could understand their thinking but it is my top priority because without that one, the other rights don't stand a chance. The second is the teeth of our constitution.
Many don't realise just how close it was thatthethe Second Amendment guaranteeing the right to keep and bear arms wasnt lost. One vote... That will change when Obama puts in a couple more libs judges. This shows how fragile our "rights" are. Don't be so bold as to think we can't lose them.
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: Simp

All I know is that every election that I've ever been a part of has had the Republicans saying that the Democrats will take away my guns and I've yet to see any of this come to fruition. Listen, I'm about as pro-gun as you can get, but this "The Democrats want our guns" is getting comical.

I can hear some of you guys now. "Man, the economy is in shambles and my 401k is absolutely dilluted, but by God, I have my guns!" I've come to realize that "having myguns" isn't the absolute most important thing that I should be worried about right now.
Oh I get it ,your new to the country. See we had this guy named clinton ,a democrat, in office before bush, and he gave us an assault weapons ban that restricted the importation of certain rifles and banned the manufacturing of rifle mags and restricted ammo capacities etc. Then bush, a republican, got in office and assault weapons ban went bye bye. See how that works?

Oh BTW, is it raising taxes on business's or nationalizing health care ,thats gonna fix the economy when obama gets in? Get real!
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:53 PM
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Guys if he gets the presidency, he wont be able to come in public. Obama getting office will set off a movement unlike any other. Im sure you've heard, "the south will rise again". Let me tell you it will be civil war. The KKK, every skinhead rebel in the south will take out Obama. He will have a bounty on his head by the time he is inagurated. This will be hell... KKK vs. ???, Secret Service?, Black Panthers????


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Old 10-28-2008, 08:02 PM
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Simp,

It wasnt a big of a deal with Kerry, but with Gore, it was the same worry. Luckily enough of us saw we couldnt have it. And as already stated we had CLinton who ahd the gun ban. BUT he wasnt as worried about guns as Gore wasand Obama is. This is a REAL threat and we cant overlook it.
I think the only reason everyone is so "gung hoe" about Obama is he is black. Sounds stupid but its true. A guy a few days ago needed a ride that works where my dad works. I was out there as we were going to the deer lease that evening for the weekend. I kinda knew the guy so I gave him a ride home. On the way there I asked, "Who you voting for, Obama?". He said, "Naw, Im voting for the black guy". This is the most important election in a LONG TIME. If you can vote and care about hunting or shooting in general, NOBAMA!

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Old 10-28-2008, 08:07 PM
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I am an attorney. You have to be aware that it is not as simple as "taking our guns away" all at once. Chief Justice Marshall, the first chief justice of the United States Supreme Court once wrote that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." He could just as truthfully have written that"the power to regulate is the power to destroy." Obama and his Democratic cohorts can make life miserable for gun owners without banning a single gun. They can do it through legislation or through administrative rules from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Division. Shouldn't gun owers pay for all that gun crime? How about a 500% tax on ammunition? What about a $50.00 or $100.00 annual fee for every gun owned? How about an arsenal license at say, oh $1000 a pop for everyone who owns over 5 guns? How about a nationwide ban on firearms dealers within 500 feet of a school, as Obama supported in Illinois? How about tightening up on those nasty gun dealers, i.e. if they don't do $100000 or $250000 of business a year, or if any of their guns has been used to commit any kind of crime, they don't qualify to continue their license. Just use your imagination. Do you get the picture? It's not "taking your guns", it's the death of a thousand cuts. It's all "reasonable","common sense" regulation. It's for the children! As I noted before, in a different forum:

The individual right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. While Barack Obama pretends to respect the Second Amendment, his record demonstrates that his claim is no more credible than a wifebeater's claim that he respects his wife.

Economist and gun control researcher Dr. John Lott recalled his first encounter with Obama. After introducing himself to Obama, "Obama said 'Oh, you are the gun guy.' I responded 'Yes, I guess so.' He simply responded that 'I don't believe that people should be able to own guns.'

'When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago's lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.'" [1].

Rich Pearson, who, "[f]or the past 15 years, . . . served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association" wrote:

"I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

"Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month." [2]

Obama supports numerous oppressive gun control measures. In April, an article in the nonpartisan website The Politico noted that "[Obama], as an Illinois state legislator and a U.S. senator, he consistently backed gun control legislation. . . . Obama has long backed gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic weapons and concealed weapons, and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." [3]

Obama also voted for legislation which would have banned the sale of almost all centerfire rifle ammunition, because such ammunition is designed to propel a bullet at a velocity which happens to be sufficient not only to kill game, but also to penetrate the lowest level of police body armor. [4].

The Obama strategy is similar to that of the repetitive wife abuser who seeks to recouncile with his wife after beating her. Flowers, candy and loving words are poured out by the abuser on his victim. The message is: "Pay attention only to what I say and ignore what I have done." Unfortunately, another beating will be administered in the future. As The Politico article notes, the Obama campaign's position statement on gun control parrots respect for the Second Amendment (while claiming "the right is subject to [supposedly] reasonable and common sense regulation"), but is silent on Obama's voting record. [5].

Should gunowners trust Obama? Only if they want to receive a beating.

NOTES:

1. See Obama and Guns: Two Different Views. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347690,00.html.

2. Pearson, Rich, An Open Letter to the Nations Hunters and Sportsmen. http://www.goapvf.org/

3. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...59915489D5CBD9.

4. See http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...wn_NRA_ad.html Note: Click on "continue reading Obama seeks to take down NRA ad".

5. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...59915489D5CBD9. Note: Another impartial source on Obama's position on gun control is: http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/B...un_Control.htm (" If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws.").




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Old 10-28-2008, 09:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: Simp

All I know is that every election that I've ever been a part of has had the Republicans saying that the Democrats will take away my guns and I've yet to see any of this come to fruition. Listen, I'm about as pro-gun as you can get, but this "The Democrats want our guns" is getting comical.
A permanent AWB is part of Obama/Biden's platform. Obama believes that gun bans are just fine and dandy if a local government (i.e. Chicago/New York/D.C.) wants it. If someone wants mine, it's gonna have a very hot barrel... While they may have other reasons for supporting Obama, any gun owner who isn't worried that Obama/Biden pose a threat to 2nd Amendment rights by virtue of potential Supreme Court appointments, and legislation that may be passed by their Socialist cohorts who hold the majority in both houses of Congress is indeed a Simp(leton).
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Old 10-28-2008, 09:55 PM
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I disagree - those voting Obama in are anti-gun at heart, or they want gun crimes to stop and they'll allow him and his Demcratic House and Senate to pass law after law restricting your gun ownership right and banning ammunitions .... this is a core part of his platform IMO, and is consistant with what he's done since cominginto political powers.

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Old 10-29-2008, 02:35 AM
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if your that worried about someone taking your guns,,,sell em all and move somewhere where there are no civilized people around,,,we will never ever in our lifetime see the time when our gov't would even try to disarm the people,,,they know exactly wtf would happen if theyeven attempted it,,,go stock up on powder,,primers,,brass and bullets,,,then if they try to tax you to death you can sit down at the reloading bench,,,,load up what ya have,,,and shoot your way to canada!
wow....truly an idiot....YOU go to Canada....they already confiscate and legislate against firearms
a lot more than here in the USA...that's why I stopped hunting in canada. Being an idiot, you are
clueless; remember the national guard and state police kicking in doors in New Orleans and confiscating
firearms from citizens who were thus left defenseless ? This stuff CAN happen, and I'm saying it WILL happen, and morons like you will sit on the curb, bewildered, and say 'I can't beleive it happend'.
Moron.
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