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Old 01-07-2008, 10:28 PM
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No partisan toilet necessary. I recognize that cabinet posts are a fluied position. After serving on the cabinet, those people can double their wages to 300k plus per year. However, the number of cabinet posts that changed immediately following Bush's election were not normal.
You are correct in stating they are not normal, but changes were overdue at any rate, because many of the posts had been occupied overly long.

On the matter of approval ratings, although the approval for Congress is low, and currently at 22%, it is only 4% lower now than when Republican's controlled the Legislative branch.
True....

On the other hand, Bush's continued poor approval rating below 40% has only been rivaled in Gallup polls in the past 60 years during the last months of Truman's term.
There is true 'bush fatigue'. While this is inevitable, I attribute this in large part to the unceasing attacks by media and partisan politics which never gave this president a snowball's chance in hell to be effective. Yet, despite the idiotic claims of a pilfered presidency, there were major victories with no further terror attacks on US soil, an increasingly successful war strategy (being UN-heralded by his critics) and major tax cuts for US workers.

Please take the following two points in an objective context.

1) A year after the Republican congress was replaced by Democrats, the approval rating is basically unchanged (the polls have a SE of 2%, so in essence 22 and 26 are the same). However, the approval rating has definitely not improved.
That's a dismal failure, in my estimation. To be objective, the democrat majority was voted in to change the status-quo. Nothing happened. There's always an excuse...now they need a democrat president becuase democrat majorities in both houses still cannot get anything done. Bah ! The same line of bilge is being peddled in the current presidential campaign, all by clubhouse politicians who are all part of the problem and have nothing to do with a solution.

2) After serving 2 consecutive terms in office, Clinton left with a 65% approval rating. Unless the trend dramatically changes, GW Bush will leave office with an approval rating of about 35%.
While Bush will leave with low numbers, I attribute the Clinton numbers and his 'teflon don' qualities to the treatment each got in the partisan press, which can make or break a political career. It's pretty clear that Clinton left a mess for the current administration to clean up in the first admin, yet he's credited for the booming economy precipitated by Ronald Reagan.

That's a major difference. After looking at those numbers, do you really still think it's not possible or even likely that a Democrat could emerge victorious in November? I can hear the Congressional members now..."We haven't been able to implement our legislation because of the Republican President. That will all change if a Democratic candidate is elected to the Oval Office..."
What I do not understand, is how working class people who see themselves as 'poor' and whom are classed as 'rich' by liberals can support ANY democrat ticket. It's just incongruous that people who are just 'getting by' and 'making it' could possibly support a socialist agenda with the intent of raising taxes and making life more difficult for everybody. I attribute that to the successful assimilation of the press into the socialist bent of the current democrat party. What will become apparent, albeit too late, is that if a democrat can waltz into the Oval Office next year, those folks who believe the democrat party is the 'party of the people' will find they are not the people represented by the democrat party. This is not the party of the 60's and 70's or even the 80's... it is a party to make any socialist proud, where Hitlery openly discusses redistribution of wealth and going after corporate profits as if the federal government is tasked with taking them down. It's a disaster waiting to happen, and the only thing that can precipitate this is ignorance on the part of the electorate.

But I concur, Hillary has no chance in hell at this point. Additionally, I'll even add that if she continues her arrogant posture and snide remarks, she will effectively remove herself as a VP hopeful as well. I found it refreshing to watch the entire debate, and get a better feeling for ALL of the candidates...
I will say there are 2 candidates for the Democrats, Clinton and Obama. Obama will defeat Clinton and I really cannot say why as their policies are the same, basically. The republican field is even more starved, with McCain, Romney and Guiliani all resurrected Democrats and all liberals to boot. Huckabee, who seems to make actual coherent statements on certain issues, is disqualified for his stances on immigration and taxation. It's gonna be a rough ride, and the only losers will the the American People who will have to endure a regime of liberal 'big brotherism' regardless of who wins the election. The prospects are not bright, given the current choices.
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Old 01-07-2008, 10:41 PM
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Huckabee, who seems to make actual coherent statements on certain issues, is disqualified for his stances on immigration and taxation.
What part of Huckabee's stance on immigration, exactly, do you disagree with? Was it his proposal to offer in state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants (but only if they've applied for legal status)? Is all you've got to "disqualify" him? Are you even vaguely familiar any of the rest of his plan? Frankly, I think you've made up your mind on this issue based on half truths and misinformation, without actually knowing anything about his plan. Here it is... I'll expect you to point out the flaws:

The Secure America Plan

A 9-Point Strategy for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security

Overview
: Implement a broad-based strategy that commits the resources of the federal government to the enforcement of our immigration laws and results in the attrition of the illegal immigrant population.

1.Build the Fence [ul][*]Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010.[*]Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010. [/ul] 2.Increase Border Patrol [ul][*]Increase the number of border patrol agents.[*]Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law. [/ul] 3.Prevent Amnesty [ul][*]Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected.[*]Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with theBureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years.[*]This is not a "touchback" provision. Those who leave this country and apply to return from their home country would go to the back of the line.[/ul] 4.Enforce the Law on Employers [ul][*]Employment is the chief draw for most illegal immigrants and denying them jobs is the centerpiece of an attrition strategy.[*]Impose steep fines and penalties on employers that violate the law.[*]Institute a universal, mandatory citizenship verification system as part of the normal hiring process.[*]Prevent the IRS and the Social Security Administration from accepting fraudulent Social Security numbers or numbers that don't match the employees' names.* [/ul]
5. Establish an Economic Border [ul][*]Move toward passage of the FairTax.[*]The FairTax provides an extra layer of security by creating an economic disincentive to immigrate to the U.S. illegally. [/ul]
6. Empower Local Authorities [ul][*]Promote better cooperation on enforcement by supporting legislative measures such as the CLEAR Act, which aims to systematize the relationship between local law and federal immigration officials.[*]Encourage immigration-law training for police. Local authorities must be provided the tools, training, and funding they need so local police can turn illegal immigrants over to the federal authorities. [/ul] 7. Ensure Document Security [ul][*]End exemptions for Mexicans and Canadians to the US-VISIT program, which tracks the arrival and departure of foreign visitors. Since these countries account for the vast majority of foreigners coming here (85 percent), such a policy clearly violates Congress' intent in mandating this check-in/check-out system.[*]Reject Mexico's "matricula consular" card, which functions as an illegal-immigrant identification card. [/ul] 8. Discourage Dual Citizenship [ul][*]Inform foreign governments when their former citizens become naturalized U.S. citizens.[*]Impose civil and/or criminal penalties on American citizens who illegitimately use their dual status (e.g., using a foreign passport, voting in elections in both a foreign country and the U.S.). [/ul] 9. Modernize the Process of Legal Immigration [ul][*]Eliminate the visa lottery system and the admission category for adult brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens.[*]Increase visas for highly-skilled and highly-educated applicants.[*]Expedite processing for those who serve honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces.[*]Improve our immigration process so that those patiently and responsibly seeking to come here legally will not have to wait decades to share in the American dream. Governor Huckabee has always been grateful to live in a country that people are trying to break into, rather than break out of.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:55 AM
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Buster T was a frickin idiot, wasn't he ?
He had his days....and I can't put my finger on it but he reminded me of someone....oh well it will come to me sooner or later.
Yea, and if you see him, tell him I want frickin $25 dollars in the next few months. But I am sure he will just stiff me on the bet.
 
Old 01-09-2008, 06:03 AM
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I don't know what it is, but I still wouldn't count her out. The Clinton machine knows no bounds...
I told you people. Hillary Clinton won't be done until she's says she is leaving the race, ignore the media, they got New Hampshire wrong as hell! [:'(]
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:21 PM
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Huckabee, who seems to make actual coherent statements on certain issues, is disqualified for his stances on immigration and taxation.
What part of Huckabee's stance on immigration, exactly, do you disagree with? Was it his proposal to offer in state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants (but only if they've applied for legal status)? Is all you've got to "disqualify" him? Are you even vaguely familiar any of the rest of his plan? Frankly, I think you've made up your mind on this issue based on half truths and misinformation, without actually knowing anything about his plan. Here it is... I'll expect you to point out the flaws:
ok... How is this revolutionary plan to be funded ? Each point literally screams out for funding,
each point screams out for the formation of a Federal Bureaucracy or oversight committee to be sure each point is carried out and funding is not wasted, funneled or otherwise 'disappears'. While I'd love to send the IRS packing, I have not seen how the 'Fair Tax' would work, nor has it even been shown to be a viable alternative.... Don't get me wrong...I understand Huck is developing his policies, but it just seems these are new and different from the way he worked in Arkansas. Does the tiger change his stripes ? Right now, I will vote for ANY republican because they are the lesser of 2 evils; Hillary is 'the Devil' and Obama is too young and inexperienced and most of all a Liberal Gun-Banning Tax-n-spend democrat. So if Huck gets the nomination, he's got my vote...but I'll hold my nose just as tightly for him, as I would if I had to vote for Giuliani or Romney... Taxes Taxes Taxes...

The Secure America Plan

A 9-Point Strategy for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security

Overview
: Implement a broad-based strategy that commits the resources of the federal government to the enforcement of our immigration laws and results in the attrition of the illegal immigrant population.

1.Build the Fence [ul][*]Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010.[*]Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010. [/ul] 2.Increase Border Patrol [ul][*]Increase the number of border patrol agents.[*]Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law. [/ul] 3.Prevent Amnesty [ul][*]Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected.[*]Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with theBureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years[*]This is not a "touchback" provision. Those who leave this country and apply to return from their home country would go to the back of the line.[/ul] 4.Enforce the Law on Employers [ul][*]Employment is the chief draw for most illegal immigrants and denying them jobs is the centerpiece of an attrition strategy.[*]Impose steep fines and penalties on employers that violate the law.[*]Institute a universal, mandatory citizenship verification system as part of the normal hiring process.[*]Prevent the IRS and the Social Security Administration from accepting fraudulent Social Security numbers or numbers that don't match the employees' names.* [/ul]
5. Establish an Economic Border [ul][*]Move toward passage of the FairTax.[*]The FairTax provides an extra layer of security by creating an economic disincentive to immigrate to the U.S. illegally. [/ul]
6. Empower Local Authorities [ul][*]Promote better cooperation on enforcement by supporting legislative measures such as the CLEAR Act, which aims to systematize the relationship between local law and federal immigration officials.[*]Encourage immigration-law training for police. Local authorities must be provided the tools, training, and funding they need so local police can turn illegal immigrants over to the federal authorities. [/ul] 7. Ensure Document Security [ul][*]End exemptions for Mexicans and Canadians to the US-VISIT program, which tracks the arrival and departure of foreign visitors. Since these countries account for the vast majority of foreigners coming here (85 percent), such a policy clearly violates Congress' intent in mandating this check-in/check-out system.[*]Reject Mexico's "matricula consular" card, which functions as an illegal-immigrant identification card. [/ul] 8. Discourage Dual Citizenship [ul][*]Inform foreign governments when their former citizens become naturalized U.S. citizens.[*]Impose civil and/or criminal penalties on American citizens who illegitimately use their dual status (e.g., using a foreign passport, voting in elections in both a foreign country and the U.S.). [/ul] 9. Modernize the Process of Legal Immigration [ul][*]Eliminate the visa lottery system and the admission category for adult brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens.[*]Increase visas for highly-skilled and highly-educated applicants.[*]Expedite processing for those who serve honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces.[*]Improve our immigration process so that those patiently and responsibly seeking to come here legally will not have to wait decades to share in the American dream. Governor Huckabee has always been grateful to live in a country that people are trying to break into, rather than break out of.
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:55 PM
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Well, maybe Hillary is unbeatable.

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Old 01-11-2008, 11:03 AM
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Naw, She will melt down. The early polls made me think her demise was sooner than I had thought, but she will still melt down. Got to remember, the South does not like her, not even the liberal Democrats.
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Naw, She will melt down. The early polls made me think her demise was sooner than I had thought, but she will still melt down. Got to remember, the South does not like her, not even the liberal Democrats.
That's true, but there are a lot of people that don't like blacks in the south too. They'll say to the pollsters "ya, I'm voting for the black guy" so they don't look like a racist, but then when they go vote they will vote for Hillary, or even Edwards because they're prejudice toward women too. I don't know, but the Clinton machine just keeps chugging along. [:'(]
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:19 PM
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Naw, She will melt down. The early polls made me think her demise was sooner than I had thought, but she will still melt down. Got to remember, the South does not like her, not even the liberal Democrats.
That's true, but there are a lot of people that don't like blacks in the south too. They'll say to the pollsters "ya, I'm voting for the black guy" so they don't look like a racist, but then when they go vote they will vote for Hillary, or even Edwards because they're prejudice toward women too. I don't know, but the Clinton machine just keeps chugging along. [:'(]
Yep, Edwards most likely. Still taking votes from Clinton. Either way, my original prediction was that she will lose the presidency. Now it looks like she has more of a fight on her hands just to get there.
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I don't even care anymore. If she wins the presidency she'll be a disaster and the Repubs will take it all back in 2010 (mid-terms) and 2012. Let's just hope we can survive through those tough times.
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