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Old 12-01-2005, 10:44 AM
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A Jasper County mother says her 8th grade son found a video camera taping in the school bathroom this week. But now, he is the one in trouble.

Cindy Champion says her son, Mac Bedor, and a few of his friends took the camera out of the ceiling because they felt it violated their privacy. Champion says her son brought the camera home to show her that afternoon. She says when she contacted the Jasper County Comprehensive School, she found out high school principal, Howard Fore, put the camera there. She says Fore told her he put the camera in the boys' bathroom to catch students vandalizing. Champion says her son is now suspended for taking school property.

CINDY CHAMPION, MOTHER:
"I had told the high school principal, Mr. Fore, that he needed to come up with another solution. That this wasn't appropriate. His response to me was he was going to continue to film."

Jasper County Superintendent, Jay Brinson, sent a faxed response to Eyewitness News. Brinson says high school principal, Howard Fore, placed the camera in the bathroom last Sunday to control vandalism. He says Fore put the camera there "to discover the identity of those doing the damage." Brinson says the principal did tell Cindy Champion that the camera would be installed again. But in his statement Brinson says, "The camera was not placed back in the restroom, and will not be placed back in the restroom."

Eyewitness News tried to contact the Ocmulgee Circuit District Attorney about the legality of placing hidden cameras in public school rest rooms. He covers that area. Eyewitness News was not able to get in touch with him. But, Eyewitness News did talk with Bibb County District Attorney, Howard Simms. He says cameras in public school bathrooms are legal because schools have more leeway on privacy issues.[/align]

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Old 12-01-2005, 11:03 AM
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Good guy. If he wasn't looking at/into stalls it's no different than a camera in a hallway. As we know the bathroom is a great place to goof off because no one can see you. No more "Smokin' in the boys room".

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Old 12-01-2005, 11:04 AM
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Good guy. If he wasn't looking at/into stalls it's no different than a camera in a hallway. As we know the bathroom is a great place to goof off because no one can see you. No more "Smokin' in the boys room".
On the other hand, if it's aimed at the stalls or urinals, and it turns out the principle has a stash of tapes he calls his "favorites" then there's a problem!
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Old 12-01-2005, 12:12 PM
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As has already been pointed out, if the cameras are not aimed at urinals or the stalls, it is a mute issue and the principal is doing the right thing for his school's security.

The parents do need some reassurance, though, as to exactly where the cameras are pointing, IMHO. We had a situation in a town here in Tennessee where I used to work as a beat reporter. A middle school placed cameras in the girls' dressing room. The school district issued a statement saying the cameras were fixed on non-intruding positions. But using paperwork that is public information, I found the serial numbers on the cameras and did some checking on them and, lo and behold, they were cameras that could be accessed, rotated, zoomed in or out, etc. from one's own computer via the Internet if one had the correct password! It was not a pretty situation. . .
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Old 12-01-2005, 12:16 PM
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I could see the idea of it not being able to view the stalls, but in that instant why have it. He already knows who goes in the restroom, but if he is not videoing the stalls or urinals, how will he prove who is vandilizing them?

He needs to be put in jail, as well as getting canned. Can you say
Voyeurism and child porn as well as a major violation of kids privacy.[/align]If that was my kid, id raise some serious hell and question why the ACLU was not all over this. Im a teacher and have delt with the vandalism issue. The best way is to have teachers monitor them. Our vandalim simply stoped because we take turns going into the restroom to make sure no one is goofing off. Not to hang out and watch, but simply walk in, wash our hands, and walk out. The kids know a teacher will be showing up from time to time and at any given time, so they do not take the chace of getting caught.[/align]
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Excellent post, burnie.

I agree 100%.
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I could see the idea of it not being able to view the stalls, but in that instant why have it. He already knows who goes in the restroom, but if he is not videoing the stalls or urinals, how will he prove who is vandilizing them?

He needs to be put in jail, as well as getting canned. Can you say
Voyeurism and child porn as well as a major violation of kids privacy.
[/align]If that was my kid, id raise some serious hell and question why the ACLU was not all over this. Im a teacher and have delt with the vandalism issue. The best way is to have teachers monitor them. Our vandalim simply stoped because we take turns going into the restroom to make sure no one is goofing off. Not to hang out and watch, but simply walk in, wash our hands, and walk out. The kids know a teacher will be showing up from time to time and at any given time, so they do not take the chace of getting caught.
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I am with you if this was allowed in my school my kid would be placed else where.
And this pervert should be whipped in public!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:11 PM
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As a teacher also, I say not an excellent post Burnie. 1. I don't know how it worked in your school, but we couldn't just walk into the restrooms anytime we wanted, we were in class teaching or in the hallways monitoring behavior there.The majority of vandalizm happens during classes not between them. 2. As a male I can not go into female restrooms and vise versa for the female teachers. In the last high school I taught at we had 14 sets of bathrooms on two floors not including locker rooms. One of the most effective tools we had to prevent vandalizm, drug sales/use was to put cameras in each hallway near the gyms, shop, pool areas where travel is less frequent and there and to have them at each entrance/exit of locker rooms. The only problem, we could tell who was in there at a certain time, but we couldnt pinpoint exactly when vandalizm occurs, or which kid/kids did it. By this principal putting it in the restroom it would surely point out what happend an who did itif it was in camera view. Also I'm not sure if you have noticed but most vandalizm (besides writing things on the stall wall) happen to the sinks, hand dryers, garbage cans, mirrors, those things cost a lot of money to replace and are not in an area where privacy should be an issue. If a kid smashesa $600 air hand dryer once and gets away with it, he'll do it again.

In my experience those that have something to hide are usually the most against something that will be for the good of the school, students and community in general. These kids who took the camera down (Were they carrying wrenches and screwdrivers with them to the bathroom?) probably werent as concerned for their privacy as they were for protecting their butts (pun intended). I don't want to pigeon hole all kids, but I know the type that would take it upon themselves to take down a school camera, they more than likelyaren't perfect angels.
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Please pardon my sloppy spelling and punctuation. Trying to type fast before an awards banquet and BBall game.
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In my experience those that have something to hide are usually the most against something that will be for the good of the school, students and community in general.
So that justifies violating my child, or the many other innocent ones? People can get off their butts and do their jobs.


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Im in a small school district with a very small staff. We do it. Its a matter of making the effort. As for kids doing the damage in the restroom during class, thats easy. If it is monitored properly and timely, no problem. The first teacher to notice the problem has only a few students to weed through. If it is inspected during every passing period, you know when the damage was done, find who had hall passes during that time, and bingo. When I was in a large school district we had aids who had to do hall monitoring as well as the school cop. I taught at a school with over 2500 High Schoolers in an inner city, and we had very little problems, due to what I posted. I use this methoid here in this small school with the same success. Simply put, it takes effort, some people are not willing to get off their butt and do their job, so they do lazy things like put up cameras in a private area. Its amazing what a little effort by the whole school can accomplish.


Yes I made some people mad when I proposed the solution to our problem in this small school. I keep getting, "I dont have time". "Thats not my job". In other words they were saying, "im to lazy to get off my butt, so let it be someone elses problem". Its amazing how the simple presents of an adult cures lots of the problems among kids. I alone monitor one restroom all by myself and have never been put out. Now I agree, if everyone is not on board, it will not work. I dont mind cameras in public areas, but i will not except the idea of putting them in restrooms, locker rooms, or the like. Way to muchopportunity for abuse. Now if the bathrooms have a waiting area, foyer, or loby, no problem. But then agian, how do you prove anything. I knowyall are thinking,My plan has its flaws. That would be correct, but putting a camera up in a restroom will notalleviate them one bit. If a camera is where it can film the problems, then it is in violation of privacy and voyeurism. To keep from getting into trouble, the camera would have to be placed where it will do no good. In other words, a camera will not accomplish anything but trouble. Just my thoughts, but i would not stand by and allow my child to be videoed while they are using the restroom.
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