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I think I just might have to say to hell with this place and move to Montana!

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I'm feeling sick to my stomach,
I live in Toronto and voted blue, but I can understand why you westerners are so pi$$ed off at Ontario because right now I agree with you. My neighbours are morons. [:@]:([:@]

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It's a sad day when I am ready to leave the country I love. All I can ask is how much is it going to take before the rest of our country will open their eyes? Is everyone happy knowing that our elected officials are saying to themselves "We got away with it, now lets really run this hell hole into the ground!" Why?[:@]

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I voted Blue As Well............ But as usual the LIBS took the reigns again![:'(]

Al

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Hold the bus Paroah!! I think I'll come too. Maybe we can get a deal on moving rates.

I'm pretty irate this morning too. It never fails to amaze me at what a bunch of spineless wimps we have in this country. We re-elect a party that has stolen billions of dollars from us and turned us into a haven for criminals.
What really gets me is the whole Quebec situation. I mean the Bloc stands for Quebec and Quebec only. They can do no possible good for the rest of the country and yet there are well over 50 seats in that province and almost all of them are held by the Bloc. Big surprse. I'm so sick of all the double standards and hipocracy involved with those idiots. I really wish we would just let them seperate. They already consider themselves their own country. Duceppe said as much during the debates.
Maybe it's time for the west to get it's own seperatist movement.
Our whole election system is a farce anyway, when you have geographical regions that are as socially different as they are in Canada, ie East v.s. West, and the election results are basically decided by one specific region, something is wrong. I don't care who many people live in Ontario and Quebec. There should be the same number of seats in each province across the country.

So much for the Liberals getting rid of Western alienation.

AAAAAAHHHHHH. I hate the Liberals. The only thing good about the whole situation is that little crap weasel, Alan Rock is not around any more. Thank God at least for him not becoming the Liberal leader.

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About the only good thing I have to say is that the friqqin' Liberals, (who are snickering away this morning, relived that they pulled it off again) don't have a majority Government. In real world terms, this means nothing, but it's the only thing I can say that makes me feel a little better. I think the whole western seperation movement might be a good thing. At least the rest of the country would take us seriously for once. Even the mere mention of it should do it. My buddy told me last night that all the big refineries and factories are out east and we need those. I mentioned the fact that they get most of their raw product from us! What good would those facilities do with no product do build with? Somthing has to be done. I cannot live under these tyrants no longer.[:@][:@][:@]

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36 investigations into the Liberal governments previous scandals and Ontario still says "give us more"[:@][:@][:@]I think you guy's on these boards are the only ones who voted Conservative. Come to the west, we'll take ya. As for the rest of the idiots who voted for the libs., I hope it comes back to haunt you and you feel the sting for years. I know we already are out west. Shame shame shame![:o]JDinAB

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At least the riding where I live (Niagara West - Glandbrook) and where my hunting property is (Grey-Bruce-Owen Sound) went conservative. Fear reigned in most of the province.

Dan O.

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If these complete morons in Ontario and those who voted liberal think money was wasted in the sponsorship scandal, you ain't seen nothing yet! Just wait til the Libs try to appease Quebec now and the amount of our dollars thats going to flow there just to suck up to that province. The whole system makes me sick! If I could pick up my BMA and move west, I'd be gone in a flash.

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I guess a Conservative majority win was too much to hope for this time around. Not getting a minority even is kind of a tough pill to swallow but on the other hand a Conservative minority would probably have meant collaborating with the NDP (gag!) or worse, the Bloc (double gag! gag!). Now f%~$face is in that unenviable position instead. So if there is any bright side to all of this I guess it is that the Fiberals & NDP together have less than the 155 seats to form a coalition, therefore the Conservatives will have a strong say and an important role to play. Hopefully they'll do a good job and prove their capabilities for the next go-around which will not be that far away. I give it 18 months at most.

On a personal note, I was hoping beyond hope that our local Fiberal Incumbent, Do-Nothing-Longfield and our Darling-of-the-gun-registry-McLellan would not be re-elected and sadly they both were, boohoo:( gg.

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FUD campaign the Libs ran was a complete success. I heard many say at least we know the history of the liberals but Harper I don't trust! Well that doesn't even hold water the fact people are comfortable with the Fiberals and become accustom to their horrific management abilities makes me both sick and irrate! Some solace in the minority but they still might be able to push forward with the NDP's 19 votes and the 1-independant in BC who the Conservatives booted (don't tell me this gentleman isn't a bit pissed at Harpers camp!) would give them the 155 votes they need. That weasle Martin scared canadians into thinking Harper and Kline had something in the works with regards to healthcare, funny Mr. Martin plan to reduce waiting listed failed to even mention the reason was b/c of his governments continued cuts...people who voted for the liberals just on the healthcare issue are nothing more than idiots. Our medicare system is in need of revamp, we can't keep up with the demand and unless a huge amount of cash is spent for healthcare professionals, larger facilities, additonal and updated equipment in will only get worse with our aging population. I thought most people understood this but apparently not! What gripes me evanmore about Martin and a true measure of a man he is, when attending a Rally for Ralph Gooddale in Regina he spoke of changes and decriminalizing the gun laws than less than a day later he recanted that and publicly said I never said that....B***sh*t! The BS about not wanting our military to be upgraded just shows how stupid canadians really are and little the other parties feel about self defense. A nation that has such raw resources, rich lands and huge geographical landscape with less than enough resources, man power or military presence to protect even 1 province we are clearly ripe for the picking. We rely on the US which is also in their best interest but if we continuely do not support or they feel a week link how long do you think the NA Defense mechanism footed mostly by the US will be intact. Then there are all the social issues, we need to protect and help those who can't make it in the tough world...sheet man we have families barely making a go that work fulltime and pay for some loser to sit on his duff and drink beer in his AC housing project watching a Sat. on his Plasma TV..that is the canada I want to keep. I won't even go to the same sex or indians affairs things.

It just plain sucks to keep these thieves in power, once again a few lambs will be slaughter for good of the party and the rest will be swept under the mountain under the rug!

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Amen Skeeter!!! I have changed my mind about the Government being a bunch of airheads with no brains. It's obvious Canadian citizens are the morons! It was the smallest turnout to vote in our history[:@]How much crap can we endure until someone figures it out. To all who voted Conservative, I don't include you, but for the rest of the Canadians...You are all idiots! The day you need to go to the hospital for something, you'll pay for your stupidity...mark my words![:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]
JDscrewedinAB

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Skeeter; you forgot one other important piece of the puzzle. Martin needs to appoint a speaker of house. If this is a liberal, NDP or Independant they lose one more vote. Unfortunately Martin has to be honest while he's in minority. There will be loads of social program spending and he'll set himself up for the next election.

In no way to slight western politicians (I've voted for them the last 3 elections) but Jean Charest may end up being the Conservative ace in the hole.

Dan O.

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One piece of bad news that I saw today was that maybe Harper will step down as leader of the PC's. Part of the problem was the eastern part of Canada doesn't know anything about him.
Clearly, from Manitoba westward he was respected enough to take all 4 provinces. This fact alone should wake up even the stupidest of us in Ontario and the maritimes that Harper is someone to be seriously considered as leader of this entire country. I'm just sick of seeing politicians coming from Quebec and the western provinces need to be heard and given the chance to show that Canada is made up of more than two provinces, Quebec and the all the rest!

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Sawbill; you're right. Unfortunately the liberals and NDP have branded Harper as an extremist. They did this to one of the most honest politicians in Canada (Preston Manning) and they will continue to do it with gullable Ontario voters taking the bait. On top of that the voters in Quebec won't vote for anyone unless they're Liberal or from Quebec. It's a screwed up system but the liberals have done too well alternating between French leaders (that won majorities) and English leaders that only lasted a short period of time. It would be great if Harper could prove himself in the next sessions of parliment but the Liberals will be collecting every piece of garbage that they can shovel for the next election. If Harper were to win without a single member of parliment from Quebec we'd be in a seperatist campaign like you've never seen before.

The way I see it the reasons that Ontario wouldn't vote for Harper were:
-they were afraid to vote for a person with strong morals and convictions
-they were afraid to vote for someone new
- they were afraid of other conservative members
- they were afraid of a Bloc supported minority
-they were afraid..................................

Ontario may have become to socialist to ever fully back a conservative party. Somewhere about 65% of voters voted for the Liberals or NDP. That doesn't leave much room for other parties to win seats. Ontario would rather vote for crap knowing it's the same crap they've always had and the same crap that they can expect.

Dan O.

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If you live in ontario, conservatives don't look good on ethics, management, or honesty, and I voted for them twice. They are all crooks, Mulroney gave us the safe storage law which means you can't keep a loaded gun. They all suck. When you come to the conclusion that they all suck, then people vote their interests, and most average earners don't have much in comon with the party that is in the pocket of stronach, mulroney and the aspers. Alberta is a special conservative case because of all the rancehrs americans, and oil money. They think they live in the real world and are all self sufficient, just like the arabs. Until you guys out west hijacked the conservative movement and turnned it into the western equivalent of the bloc we had pretty regular changes of governement. You guys moved more towards the liberals, 7%, than we did, and are still giving landslide annie a job for life, you have a lot of work to do localy from what I can see.

Canadian voters all get in a knot because they want impossible loads of freebies, and then they complain when they don't receive them. The politicians make promises they can't keep. The solution is with the voters. Vote your interests, and don't let them just hold out candy for you to lust after. Ontario votes liberal because at the end of the day they know martin won't go running back out west with his tail between his legs mutering about western alianation. I voted for preston because he had good ideas, but harper isn't in the same class.

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Martin won't have time to go running out west worrying about alienation because he'll have his nose up the Bloc leaders butt trying to appease the Quebecers--something that everyone should realize is an impossible task.

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You are so right Sawbill.

The comentators have given a bunch of reasons for the extraordinary spectacle of quebecers turning againsts liberals for the sponsorship scandal. Such nicities as embarassment at being shown in their venality, or concern over having their votes bought, as well as the same things we all feel relative to waste and dishonesty and such. My less high minded read is that they realized that unless they changed horses quickly, they would not be seeing more liberal largess with the liberals convinced that they have to be more careful. Now everyone is saying that Martin will have to make like a proctologist, and we are back to business as usual.

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"They think they live in the real world and are all self sufficient, just like the arabs."

that is just until the oil runs out. if albertans thought they were self suficient indefintly like the arabs then they would't object to sending 10 billion a year to support socialism when some of that should be used to diversify for when the oil runs out. and don't get me started on liberal policies in general that are against the interest of westerns.

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First of all , it was Toronto that voted the Lib's back in, not all of Ontario.

2nd, I believe what hurt harper was that he was just not clear in his speach and exsplaining to the people of Ontario , as his thoughts, he was short forming his ideas. The lib's seen this and used it agaist him in Debate.

Military, Harper wants to spend money to Update, The Lib's made it clear to the people that he wanted to sell out to the USA. I don't believe that for a minute, but most did untill you exsplained it to them.

Harper Killed himself in *****Bec , because said it as it was,,,, Quebec is for themselves, Ontario is Bilingual , but Quebec is French only.

The Big thing that really got me was this Clown Marten, 5 days before poles , he says that he is dropping all Costs of Gun transfers ! A plain sceem to suck in a few votes of the gun owners, believing that he is going to make a change ! Then a day before the poles says he is not going to change the Laws of the registery. NOW! Who is going to Pay for any transfers of Firearms ???? TAXSPAYERS He just made a Bigger Hole in this, then before. Now thats great thinking on a man that believes he can run the Country....

I voted Blue and my riding came up BLUE! ...BT

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Oh no Adrian. You have it wrong. We have seen this brfore. Now that the Liberals are back in, it's simply a matter of time before they bring back the transfer fee. This time, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they double the fee, "for the benifit of all Canadian taxpayers, to take pressure off the systems, and to further increase public safety". And give them enough time, my prediction is an annual fee to keep the guns registered. It's not going to stop there. My boss figures the registry is done in six months. I figure in six months they will perform an overhaul. But not for the better of Canadian gun owners. I'm a bit pesimystic I guess, but after seeing first hand how the registry works on a daily basis, I'm allowed to be paranoid.[:@]

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One last note. I find it very interesting that all the people I talk to, say the voted blue. If this is true, where did all the Liberal votes come from? I've said it before, I would not be the least bit surprised if they had their hand in the vote cokkie jar, and modified the numbers a wee bit in their favor. It's been said it can't be done. But why not? They run the show. I would like to see a poll done, calling voters at random and seeing first hand how people voted. All the polls up to the election showed the Conseratives with a respectable lead. I find it hard to belive that people are stupid enough to listen to the propaganda campains that the parties were using to influance voters to lean their way. All it should take is a quick look at the recent events leading up to the election to see what kind of a shoddy Government we have in charge.

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Well, I live near Kitchener and we got ourselves a Conservative MPP and now an officially recounted MP as well!

The Lieberal was winning to the point where the Conservative gave his concession speech. However, late polls from the rural areas gave him a 240 vote win!

It held up in the recount with only 4 votes being spoiled.

We know what were doing around here! Looks like the others have their head you know where!

Mike