Sweeping gun law changes?
 

I've heard today that the Fiberals are changing the gun registry to help soften up the west before the election. Does anyone have information?

Dan O.

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Not sweeping changes, they are simply getting rid of the fee to register and/or transfer a gun, and putting a cap on annual spending for the program.
Not registering is still a crime.
To get rid of this useless cash cow we have to get rid of the liberals.

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Will this new fee structure include the Non-Residents who have to fork out $50 CDN to declare their firearms? Would appreciate any info if you guys have it.

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There was no mention of that in the the Toronto Star's article. I highly doubt that will change, my understanding is that the declaration (and fee) is part of border security (post 9/11 and all) and is not part of the registry.

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dan here is a like to cbc
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/20.../newguns040520

Like said some changes but for most of us the fees are gone now.

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Just as it was from day one, a joke and nothing more.It started out as a no fee registration and nobody cared then, why should anybody give a rats rear end now? As long as those lib jacka$$es are in power nothing will change for the better.Living in Alberta, I'm lucky to have a provincial govt. smart enough to override the "powers that be" in ottawa.

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The National Firearms Association will be fighting hard during the election campaign. They will be fighting for our rights as gun owners to overthrow the corrupt and scandalous Liberals. They need the support of all gun owners in Canada and this means joining the NFA if you're not already a member and contributing a little extra if you are. It's one thing to bitch and complain but it's quite another to do something about it. I mailed my cheque for $100.00 today to put towards the fight. It's a $100.00 I could use for many other things but nothing that's more important to me right now than defeating these a$$holes. It doesn't have to be $100.00. If every gun owner in Canada sent them even $1.00, they could make a pretty good fight with $7 or $8 million. Check out their web site at http://www.nfa.ca . Sorry if I sound a bit angry. :) gg.

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If any of you would like to get on my e-mail ing list for the duration of the campaign for updates, press releases, developments as they particularly apply to the registry and the firearms community send me your e-mail address. There is nothing organized about this and I don't represent any club or organization in doing this. It's something I've been doing for some time and it's strictly my own personal effort. I can guarantee you some interesting reading. gg.

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All Canadians who feel that they have been duped & penalized over the fact that they were charged fees in view of Anne mcLellan's announcement on cancelling registration fees should send in a copy of this letter to the Deputy Prime Minister, their own MP and their friends. gg.


Date and Return Address

Hon. Anne McLellan MP
Deputy Prime Minister of Canada
12304 - 107 Avenue
Edmonton, Alberta, T5M 1Z1

Dear Ms. McLellan,

On May 19th. you announced that the $25.00 fee to transfer or register a
firearm is discontinued.

This means that effectively, you are rewarding persons who now may
comply with the legislation, while persons who obeyed the law are
penalized for having done so.

There is an obvious inequity in this move.

Under our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, 15. (1) Every individual is
equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal
protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and,
in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or
ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical
disability.

Therefore, in order to ensure my Charter Rights, to be treated
equally under the law, I am asking that the Government of Canada
refund all fees for registration and transfer of firearms that I have
paid.

I await your earliest response to this matter.


Sincerely,

Name

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Goodguy; does that mean that "first nations" don't have special status under the law? We talk about equality under the law and then turn around and give groups special rights. The unfortunate part of the former dsicussions is that the party that gets support from the gun lobby will lose support with the general urban voter.

Dan O.

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Dan O

As a Canadian gun owner with a lot to loose, are you a member of the NFA?

1st point:
Maybe there is not equality but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be.

2nd point:
75% of Canadians now do not support the Gun Registry. Given the population density across the country quite a few of these must be urban dwellers. gg.

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Goodguy, I tried to be a member of the NFA 3 yrs ago. I signed up and paid my fees at a sportsmans show, after weeks of recieving nothing I e-mailed them and recieved no response. A couple of months later I received a financial report (from the NFA) that slammed the outgoing president as a crook. E-mailed again questioning my member status and received no reply.

I'm not trying to dog the group because I really agree with their positions and like their website, but, if they can't even keep track of their membership and/or answer an e-mail how can I expect them to fight the good fight against weasles like the liberals?

Feel free to alert the NFA about this thread, constructive critism. I wouldn't mind hearing a response from them because I really would like to contribute to the cause, I'm just not sure my money wouldn't be better spent writing a cheque to the OFAH or Stephen Harper.

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Goodguy; just a member of the OFAH and Conservative party. I think the 75% who oppose the registry are doing so on economic grounds. When it comes to politics and beliefs about firearms I would tend to believe that the percentages would flip the other way.

Dan O.

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Goodguy. is that correct? Forgive me if I have the wrong end of this, but isn't the reward you get for complying a stiff jail sentence. Isn't this just a fee elimination for those who register new arms, or transfer already registered weapons. There isn't any legal way I am aware of to regularize a current unregistered posetion. That said, some provinces say they won't prosecute under the act, though I don't know that will get the registry to register the "illegal" guns.

Also, as an argument, the point that this policy rewards those currently breaking the law, has it's problems. Isn't that also true of getting rid of the registry? Wouldn't that reward people who never registered? I'd like to get rid of the registry and don't want to give them any additional arguments against it.

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Dan O.
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Not just sure what you mean. But if you mean that (some of) the 75% who now oppose it do so because they see the huge cost overrun (from $2 m. up to $2 b.) then I would agree with you. I also believe that the public in large numbers now realize the registry does nothing to combat the illegal use of firearms which was the bill of goods the Liberals first with Allan Rock & then Anne McLellan sold it on. So now they also realize they were duped. Illegal guns and violent crime have increased. When someone like Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino publicly states on several occasion that the registry has been of absolutely no benefit to them in any of their shooting investigations many people listen and then withdraw their support. So yes, some no longer support because it cost too much and others no longer support it because the light has finally come on, now finally realizing only law abiding people will register their guns and having a piece of paper beside Uncle Bill's duck gun is not going to solve very many crimes. So some who originally supported it no longer do so for 2 reasons; it cost way too much and secondly there is no measurable benefit to be gained from it. gg.

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Goodguy; I think that you pretty well summarized what I was trying to say. The big kicker that we have going for us is the way that the liberals screwed up the gun registry economically. If they had of produced a lean and efficient registry the general public wouldn't be so inclined to be opposed to it. I don't think that nongun owners would give two hoots in hell about getting rid of it if it didn't hit them in their pocketbooks.

Dan O.

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Well being from the west, we have always had a problem with you guy's out east and the way you voted. Now don't get me wrong, I don't know who you personally voted for, but I'm basing it on previous election results. I hope you guy's complaining here can talk to your friends/families and have them vote the liberals out, once & for all. You wouldn't believe the way we feel out here in knowing no matter how we vote, it will ultimately be decided by the eastern provinces, and we'll just have to suck it up. So help us out fellas and vote vote vote!!
:DGo Flames Go:D!! JDinAB

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JD; we are very lucky to have a Liberal government in Ontario right now. They showed their true colours when they broke every election promise that they made a few weeks ago. It's nice to see the general public pissed off and the only person that they can take it out on is Paul Martin. Paul thought he was a shoe-in when he called the election but we actually have a horse race in Ontario.

Dan O.

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JD
If I wasn't such a "goodguy" I might take offence at the thought someone would even associate me with the Fiberals let alone accuse me of voting for them. :D Otis has pretty well explained it so no need to go over old ground. However, apart from some fairly large urban populations here in central Canada which tend to have a majority of lefties which favours the Liberals because of the electoral boundaries, we had more than an uphill battle last time around with the right divided and a abysmal performance by Stockwell Day. So hopefully this time around with Liberal popularity declining and a united right things will be better.

Oh! and just two more words; Anne McLellan. I hope you can talk to your friends/families in Edmonton West (which I believe is still in Alberta) to finally vote out our darling of the gun registry. gg.

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Thanks for not taking my comments personal guy's;). I realize the selection of politicians and parties is sad and each have screwed up at one time or another. Even this weekend I heard a guy from the conservatives talking like an absolute idiot "I'll get my wife to knock on doors in Calgary since she's the likeable one". I guess we're all in it together:( Let's keep the faith and hope we'll be happy in the end. I guess things could always be worse...people in Iraq would probably love to have our "problems".
JDinAB - Go Flames GO:)

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JD; you should like the attached picture from our local paper. As bad as Sheila Copps was Martin made a lot of enemies in the Hamilton area the way he dumped her. The provincial budget was the icing on the cake.

Dan O.