ProActive or ReActive?
 

I would like to know was the new class MHC(or the old MBR) just a reaction for the handful that was complaining? It seems to me there is not much sense in having two classes that are virtually the same other than a few minor changes. Maybe in the future things like this will be thought out a little bit more, and things like this will not happen again. Think ProActive not ReActive.

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Center Punch,

I think that this is a pro-active move and the following is not a addressed to any one in particular but for anyone interested. The first and only response for most of the people on the forum is to state that there is a problem and that the class is a copy of another class. How can a class fail if it has never had an entry yet at a shoot. Would it be better to make it a mandatory class for the high level shooters of the hunters class and take away their freedom of choice. If this class has anyone shooting in it will it not be their choice and if no one shows up who is the looser. The difference between the MBR class and the MHC will be that this class will have a new beginning and no one will be getting stepped on in their class because of a bunch of shooters being forced on their class. If No one shows and the classes remain the same I guess that will speak for itself. I will not say that I am for or against the new class but I think that we must try to find some positives for this new class before we follow the negative responders on the forum. If the people that make these decisions are wrong only time will tell. I am not sure who said this but I do understand. "If you are going to make an omlet the first thing that you must do is brake an egg.

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I think of it like this. Many of the posts on here were saying that we needed an entry level class for thenovice hunter to compete in and a stepped up class for the advanced shooter to compete in. With this new class both goals have been achieved. Now a novice shooter can compete for a trophy at a national level and be proud of his/her win if they do well. The advanced shooter can compete for money and prizes for the top three at a national triple crown level if they are good enough. Either way it is their choice and I think that it will work out.

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FF & Hoyt, you guys answer these things better than I can.

This class is the result of a lot of requests. Many strongly, some loudly, over the time since the hc's became no money in the National Triple Crown.

For clarification, we brought the hc's in for a transitional, gentler, new guy, fun sort of class.
It was never intended to require a 420 to win or place.
But having said that, it has been successful even with the scores being shot at top.
But there have always been many of the higher scoring shooters that want to shoot for money with the hc equipment. They have been very vocal in this desire.
Now we have the MHC for them.

Here is a bit of the yardage problem for the hc's at this time. We look at arrow impacts in the targets from the major events. Combining this with the scores lets us have an idea of target longevity.
At this point in the HC (before mhc) we are looking at over 80 % of impacts in a three inch circle. This results in great scores. This small footprint of impacts is not a problem for us at the national events.
It is a big problem at the local club. The success of the HC at local shoots is better than 60% of the local guys are shooting it. If you put those two numbers together you can easily see the problem for your local club.

That is the dilema. We want you to shoot well and have a good score. We want the new shooters to learn better skills. We want to keep the experienced archer playing the game.

We hope this class can create a better balance of those goals.

As Fastfletch replied, we do not want to force shooters to change classes any more than is absolutely neccessary. NO one likes that very much.
We now have the MHC and hope that the new class will relieve some of the load from HC.
Only time will tell.
ken12

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Ken,

In our area and at our club is all that I can talk about. We have a theory that at $6.00 for 30 targets the average archer is paying .20 cents to shoot that arrow. In our league we charge $8.00 but the better average is about $6.00. Everyone is trying for the center of the ten ring when they aim and the eleven is a plus. There are other factors that help make up the wear factor. Angle of the target, type of points that are being shot, distance to the target, first arrow placement, etc. but I am sure that you are aware of all the factors. For tournaments we find that the ten ring is the part that is being shot out first on the close targets especially when they are large targets. These are facts that are going to vary depending on the individual shooters and clubs. People practicing on the course during the week cause as much ware as anything. The cost of the target goes up if you use the same targets for tournament and practice.
Overall what I am getting at is that if the targets are getting shot out to quickly too many people are enjoying themselves, people are shooting at times other than during a tournament and using the club for the reason that they join a club or you have lots of outsiders that are taking advantage of a free ride. The worst thing that could happen is that the targets never get shot out because no one shoots, we set the targets so that no one can score well and feel good about their shooting or we build a fat treasury for the people that only shoot once in a while. The clubs should be happy that they are getting enough people to keep things interesting. If money is a problem there are other ways to solve the problem other than restricting the use of the facilities. With some efforts there is a way that you can have your targets sponsored, and I think you and I have talked about that.
Thanks for your time.

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After reading all the posts about MHC I still dont have a solid opinion on this class yet. I guess Ill have to wait until next year to see how it plays out. After reading the post by Fast Fletch on this thread I understand why the B.O.D came up with these rules. It dosent force anyone to do anything and it gives everyone a choice of what class to shoot and you dont have to change your equipment. If the new class works thats great and if it dosent no one is out anything. I realize its not easy to run the IBO. Everyone has different ideas and alot of people including me get upset when we think things are not right. I may have a problem that is very important to me but I may be one person out of 500 other people with problems that the B.O.D has to listen to. Then they may have to come up with a solution that includes everyone. This new class may be the answer and it may not but Iam glad we have a choice. Their are some very good shooters on this forum and I look forward to the competition no matter what class I chose.

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I should have said this a while ago but I would like to congradulate CENTER PUNCH on your shooting at Nelsonville. In my opinion that was a tuff course and you shot very well. I dont know what opinion people that read my posts form of me by what I write on here. But I honstely want everyone to shoot their very best when we are shooting against each other. And I really like it when their is new names that finish in the top spots because it gives all of us hope. I will say this again I want everyone to shoot their very best in competition. I just hope I shoot a little better.

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Bentshaft:
Thanks for the congrats(and it never hurts to have some luck too). I guess i was just thinking out loud. You and the others that have made replies are all right just give it a chance and see hope it works out. But it's nice to hear other opinions agree or not. I made my opinion on the things I heard and we'll see how it goes.

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Bentshaft, I like your attitude, I feel the same way you do, especially on the 'hoping I shoot a little better' deal. I have never felt any hard feelings towards anyone that shot better than I did, Lord knows a lot of people do. I personally try 2 things, I want to (dont have to) beat the people I shoot with at any particular shoot and set of targets, and #2 try to set a logical and reachable goal for myself at each shoot I make it to. Thats the one that I need to come at least close to, and if I dont, more time practicing. butchb.