I saw this,,IBO ruling please
 

We had the 1st Leg of the Texas IBO Triple Crown here a few weeks ago and I would like to get some opinions on a situation that happened there.

The Class involved was the Master Class, where you have to be over 60 years old.
The Maximum yardage is suppose to be 45 yd. We had one target that was stretched way out there. It was hard to judge the yardage because the grass was about 18" tall all the way from the Stake to the target, almost like shooting across water.

Anyway it was easy to tell it was way Out there so everyone figured it was at the 45 yard maximum so almost everyone shot it for 45 yd but it was actually 49 yd. Everyone shot the same target and almost everyone shot a low " 8" on it.

One person thought it was only 40 yd and shot a Zero. So he threw a little fit because the target wasn’t legal. He is also an IBO Rep. So he wanted the target thrown out. I think they finally decided to throw the target out, but even after not counting the actual score shot on that target he still wasn’t in 1st place. He had shot a 273, on 30 targets, and the high score was a 284. So in order for him to win they took 11 points off of the winning score. The person who had shot the 284 had shot an 8 on the target but they took 11 points off of his total. Which put him in a tie with the person who had missed it all together. The guy that shot the 284 had already left so being he wasn’t there for a shoot off they gave it to the one that had missed the target because he had misjudged it by 10 yd.

How can anyone justify taking off 11 points from someone’s score when he had only shot an 8 on it. They shouldn’t have taken anything off of anyone’s score because everyone shot the same target. Legal distance or not, everybody shot the same target at the same distance.

Does this sound right ????????????
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Ok,, whats the rule?? and if this is true,,which I know this guy is faithful in his words,,I would be getting me a new Taxas rep.....

The Hood


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To solve the problem in a situation like this involves a little work for the club but then they made the mistake. Once the target has been protested and checked if it is found to be over the set max you can not deduct just from one or two people you must eliminate that target from everyone' s card which means everyone has a 0 on that target it does not count for anything. I should be more exact everyone who shot that target from the green stake because not only did that class have a bad target but so did the others who shot that stake. My question now is was that target actually protested and did a range official then go out and use a range finder to check it??

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ej,,check your pm' s

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2 Guys who where in my group shoot from the green and they both missed the target low.
I think it was target #14

I was there when the target was protested and as far as I know no one went and measured it but a few other shooters complained about the distance.

I think they just made a call to withdraw everyones score on that target who shot from the green stake.

I can see where confusion would come from if people started scoring their cards at #1 even if they started the shoot on target #11.

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Hood,

I' m not disputing what your saying, I' m just looking for clarification for my own understanding of the situation. The title of your post, " I saw this" indicates first hand observation of all of the facts as stated. However, later in your post you state," and if this is true,,which I know this guy is faithful in his words,,I would be getting me a new Taxas rep..... " . This seems to indicate that the knowledge was recieved at least second or third hand. Also, " everyone shot it for 45 yd but it was actually 49 yd." , we know this fact because...., did someone range the animal or thats the common opinion? Further were all of the cards examined and shooters questioned to see how they scored and/or what they shot the target for?

Please understand that if in fact you personally witnessed each of these factors and know first hand how the steps were taken to try and rectify the situation, I have no reason to doubt you and would say that it sounds like someone dropped the ball on this one more than once. However, if the information comes from sources other than yourself, who may or may not know factual information, then there is room for interpretation. For an example: targets set beyond maximum distance. I personally know of targets which were set so that many individuals " knew" they were at least 5 yards beyond legal. They were wrong. I' ve seen people swear a target was too far...they were on the wrong stake.

It is entirely possible that the club in question screwed up. If that is the case I trust they are reviewing things to try and give credit where it is due. It is also possible that the information you recieved was filtered unfavorably before it got to you, and things were not as far off as they appear. Either way, I' m sure a few questions will be asked to make sure things are handled as they should be from here forward.

If the shooters were able to start the course at multiple points without tracking seperate courses or ensuring target numbers, I don' t see how anyone can say for a fact what any one individual shot on any given target.

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Bluejacket.
I dont know if the hood was there or not but I was.
They had 2 courses set one for HC MBO Seniors etc the 2nd course was for the open pro semi pro recurve etc.

Being the 1st leg of the TX triple crown it was shot over 2 days and a 10am shotgun start with everyone on the course at different targets.

I do not know if anyone complained on Saturday but when I was there Sunday there was a lot of talk about it after the shoot then when the last group came in thats when the official complaint came with one shooter jumping up and down about the distance he even said that after his shot he did use a range finder and got the 49 yrd measurement.

Most of the others had only just paced it off including myself even tho I dont shoot from the green stake.

One of the guys who set the course did say he ranged it on Friday and with his range finder it was 45yds.

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" After his shot he used a range finder" ummmmm if that is what it sounds like, that guy is now DQ' d.

In order for ANYTHING to happen, based on my understanding. Someone has to file a protest, officially, including the protest fee.

Range officials will then measure it.

If legal they keep the protest fee and tournament goes on.

If not legal, the target is erased from that stake for all shooters from that stake (green stake, that' s a bunch of divisions). The " protestor" gets his protest fee back.

You would never take off 11 points from someone unless they shot an 11 on that target. You simply don' t include ANY points from that target when adding up the scores.

If nobody officially protests, the range officials stay in there seat.

--Bob

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I wasn' t there and it is second hand to me,,so here the first hand post info..
it at www.archerytalk.com under the heading of,,((winning at all cost.....Opinions Please))
On this matter I dont wish to stir nothing up, just thought I would paste it here and let the IBO leaders look into the matter...

now that it here,,debate it.....

The Hood

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My sympathies go out to that person or persons who set the targets for that tournament. Setting up one of these things isn' t easy work, and now to have their efforts criticized and the center of controversey doesn' t seem like a just reward.
As far as the state reps actions are concerned, if the target was in violation of the rules he was reponsible for seeing that it was corrected. If the circumstance mentioned on this thread are correct, then I would disagree with his methods, but not necessarily his actions.
It would be easy to develop a negative opinion of the rep, but without having all the facts and his version of the situation it is terribly unfair to label him a whiner and such.

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now i know how the hood and the rest of you cheating;)[&:]:D midwesterners win so often....

if you dont like what you shot...just have it thrown out....and have everyone else score thrown out till yours is the last one standing.....what a hoot....cant believe the duo didnt invent that rule first.....[8D][8D]

now the rest of you criminals...pipe down and move on.....