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I talked to Kenny Watkins and he told me that he has had almost all good responce regarding the 11 ring scoring. Everyone I talk to hates it. A shooter at Erie shot a perfect 400 and ended up in fourth place. If you take away the 11 ring the people shooting the most tens are not placing where they should. I would just like to know what everyone else thinks.

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i like it for the simply fact, if you do make bad shot you got in the back of your mine i can make those points back up. keeps your head in the game.

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11 ring sucks,if you make a bad shot you should lose,cant make them up when your hunting. its just another asa offshoot we dont need it.

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I think the 11 ring is a good idea. i agree if you make a bad shot you should lose but I also think if you make a good shot you should also be awarded for that shot.

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I like the extra point for making a better shot than the next guy!!!!
That should get it started. With all due respect, the 11 ring has realy cut down on all the ties. I can recall having ten or more people in the top three spots, thats just in one class. That was a mess when it came down to shootoffs at the end of every shoot. I talk to alot of people at the shoots, and have not had that come up as a complant. The only thing I hope is that this rule will stay in place and not go by the way side like the 12' s did.

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I like the 11 rings, I haven' t heard any negative talk about it.

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whats wrong with ties? i like to see shootoffs thats where the realy good shooters
shine. lets take it a step farther and put a 15 inside the 11 where do we stop.
a bad shot in a bad shot,EGO is why there is an 11,lets get that score as high as
we can even if we drop a few fives.

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Philip have you ever stayed long enough at a national event to watch a shootoff ?
In the past sitting at Nelsonville waiting my turn I could look around and see maybe 100 to 150 people hanging to watch people shoot!!! I love to shootoff, that means I am in the show (at least for that day). But when you have to travel 100' s of miles that night so you can go to work the next day, you wish that you shot that other 11 so you could get on down the road. Thats why I like 11' s, it makes things go alot easier..Oh yea by the attendence at the shootoffs it shows that everyone else wants to get on down the road too. (IMO)

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I like counting the extra point,but I don' t know if I like using them as tie breakers.If two people shoot 400 I don' t see why the one with 6 11' s and 3 8' s would be better than the one who shot 40 10' s.

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I like the 11 rings, you get credit for making a great shot. If you have 2 shooter competing and one hits a jar licker 10 ring and the other hits a center 10 the second shooter has made a better shot, thus he gets an extra point. The 11 ring is GOOD!:)[&:]:D

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I don' t like the 11 ring, just don' t think that it adds anything to the game. As far as tie breakers go counting X' s would be just as efficient. I hope that this is a one year trail and then it is back to counting X' s next year or at least move it so you have to take a chance trying to aim for it.

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Stretch the yardages out there and the 11 ring will not be as much of a factor. Scores will get more inline. This short stuff is ridiculous!
I hope Nelsonville proves to be longggggggggggggggggg!

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I know one thing for sure. No matter if there' s an 11 ring or not, there' s absolutely no way that everyone will like the way it' s set up. Period...

Shoot for the middle and may the best shooter win!:D

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I think the 11 ring is awesome. It rewards the shooters who make the best shots. This is not hunting, it is a sport were points are used to decide a winner. So making it possible to pick up points that you might have dropped for numerous reasons (yardage, hitting another arrow, bad shot, held in the wrong spot) does nothing but encourage shooters thru out the round. Awarding more points for hitting the smallest scoring ring is the same as awarding points for hitting the ten ring instead of the eight ring.

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Well in most cases this year I have been shooting more 10' s than any year before, but I am not hitting as many X' s or 11' s so I am not gaining any ground on the guys who scatter a few more eights, but are hitting more 11' s. I am more consistent on the 4 inch circle than others but on the flip side they are more consistent on hittting the 11. Who is really the better shot? I have been see a come back in the fat shaft area in help cutting a few more lines like in the ASA regions. For myself I feel alot more accoplishment in a clean 100 on my score card made of all 10' s than 2 eights and 4 elevens.

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I have mixed emotions on the 11 ring. In some ways I like it. If I drop some points, I feel I can make it up. But the the very best aren' t dropping many points, so I' m further behind than I was last year. I do have a problem with adding a point to a score and then also using it as a tie breaker. That' s double dipping to me. If two people had the same score and the one shooter got there with 11' s, he actually shot worse on other targets. Why should he or she be doubly rewarded with using that as a tie breaker? Was that guy the better shooter if he shot a 5 and made it up with 11' s? The other one was more consistent.

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I agree with the two posters above who said the 11' s are good, but shouldn' t be tie-breakers as well as scoring the extra point. A 400 score made with 40 10' s should count just as much as one with a bunch of 8' s and twice that many 11' s, IMO.

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I love the eleven ring. The guy that shot the perfect 400 didn' t shoot a perfect score. A perfect score is a 440. The better shooters are now winning due to the eleven. I personally do not shoot any better than before because of the eleven but I like to think that if I would catch fire shooting once that the x-ring meant a little more than just a tie breaker and would reward me with more points instead.

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here in lies the whole point 40, 10s (heart shots) are better than and should
count more than wounds with (make ups).........this is a bowhunter game?
IBO,,,,,,,lets score it that way.

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Phil: Alot of 8' s would be dead deer in the woods. If the Ibo wants to make a smaller, tougher to hit scoring ring than so be it. It is up to us to hit it and score better. I have shot alot of 3-d' s and I would take alot of low 8' s over the high 10 in the woods. And alot of down hill, up hill, or angled shots would need to be hit in 5 teritory instead of 10' s to put the animal down in the woods. So the point about real hunting results is weak at best. 40 10' s is great shooting but if their is a smaller scoring ring (and there is now) 26 10' s, 10 11' s and 4 8' s is better. Just like a spot target 60 9' s is good but 60 10' s are better and 60 x' s are still better yet. A lot of shooter can get lucky and grab a ten line on a deer size animal, but you don' t often miss a yardage by 3 and get the 11 or punch the trigger and get the 11. So you get rewarded for a perfect shot when you hit the 11 ring. Sounds good to me. Bill

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all eights are dead deer in the woods,,,,,,,(vital area)we agree to disagree

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Thanks Big O for opening up a debate on the 11-ring. It seems the majority of the shooters are in favor of it. I, on the other hand am not. I liked it better when it was just a 10-x, mainly because it keeps the scoreboard more in line. Now you see scores of 400 and up by 20 to 25 shooters in the open class. Sure I like the extra 15-16 points I can get on a 40 target course, but I think the scoreboard would look better with a top score of 398 or 396 and everyone else falling in below that, the way it used to be. That gap on the scoreboard seems to have widened with some shooters now shooting 19 & 14 up. I hope it goes back to being just a 10x. !

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Here is your chance to find out which it will be for the future.

Make sure that you fill out your survey in Nelsonville.
ken12

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Just where would the " x" ring be?

If it is where the 11 ring is now then the guy who shoot 40 10' s is still not going to win cause he hit no 11 or x' s

I am all in favour of the 11 ring cause you get the reward of making a good shot.
leave the x ring for the spot shooters.

I know I for one wont wait around to watch 10 or 15 guys shoot off in each class.

As for stretching out the yardages I dont agree with either cause we are trying to bring new people into our sport and if they go away with no arrows left then they are not going to come back.
I have seen clubs down here that do stretch the yardages and they are loosing members.
At our club we keep the distances reasonible and get a good turn out and every one goes home happy and with a quiver full of arrows.

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THE 11 RING IS THE GREATEST THING TO HAPPEN SINCE THE INVENTION OF THE CHEVEROLET:D

get real criminals.....how much better does it get than a dead center shot...pinwheel...picture perfect.....

how many times have you just been practicing out in your backyard with ole trusty...the back yard buck....and just nailed a pinwheel kill shot...only wishing someone else was there to high five you and brag about your shooting abilities??? tons.....and if you had that 11 ring there....you would have than said....ok...self....lets see how many times i can nail it dead on....only to fire your next shot off and miss the 11 ring....often i bet......

so, now the 11 ring gives you hope....gives you reason....gives you a chance to be somebody and now you dont like it???????? WTF.....

come on criminals.....whats the matter.....you cant misjudge it and get that " lucky" 12....so now you dont want me to know you suck and cant hit it dead center...well...im going right now online to look up them scores and see just how many of you are nailing the center shot.....if it aint you....get your hump out side and practice more.....cause the bowtie is coming for you.....

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What ever happened to the old saying aim small miss small.. I think that everyone in 3d or hunting should follow this simple rule, and that is what the 11 ring is all about.....................

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Ken will there be a survey at Snowshoe? If not, why not? Triple crown will hit far fewer shooters, Snowshoe will hit more, all IBO members, all IBO shooters.

Many who care don' t shoot the triple crown.

--Bob

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It would be very difficult to do a survey at the world. There is not a central point that could be a focal point to do a survey.
We thought of this in the past and several years ago when we did try it the results were as bad as mail surveys, response was around 3%.
Nelsonville has a single registration point. All shooters pass through it and go upstairs to get score cards and range assignments. That is where the survey will be turned in.
The finals of the National Triple Crown are a good representation and have in the past given a solid reading of the total.
ken12

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Ken, I see your reasoning, but how about something along the lines of an additional survey at the worlds, we all get a packet from the resort when we check into the hotel, stick it in here with instructions to drop it by the IBO booth in the vendors area. Or even have the survey at the IBO booth.

Little to no extra work.

--Bob