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the scale at the check-in is the final say. they are checked with a weight before going out to range but sometimes even the way they are hung may cause someone to pull at a differen' t angle which will even change the outcome that is why it is not a good idea to cut it close. right now it sounds like you are better off with the 5 grains per pound rule.

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Dartonjames,

You should also remember, the addition of moisture and heat that we occaisionally get can cause unexpected changes to your setup. A little string stretch can make the difference if you are on the edge to begin with. The allowances that are given are to help protect you against different equipment. If someone sets up their equipment to try and take advantage of those allowances, there is no longer a safety net. The best bet is to check your equipment at the checkin tent before you go out. That way you know what that scale or chronometer are reading before you get checked and can readjust if needed.

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I understand that the scale at the check tent is the final say.....But I must say I think the scale at course IJKL was off!
I was checked and it read my bow heavy by almost 2 lbs.....I stood there and saw almost 14 shooters get their bows checked and they all were surprized when they was weighted heavy.
One guy I shot with was legal by only .5 grains. I' m sure this scale was off.

I don' t push the legal limit just because of this reason....My bow is set up at 66 lbs with 350 grain arrow....I got 4 lbs to play with.
I hope everyone that was checked and almost DQ' ed will remember this and check their equipment before they shoot a course.

EJ, BlueJacket,
I don' t think the weather or the way you pull the bow down on the scale would have caused everyone that was checked to show they were heavy.....Let' s use alittle common sence. If everyone was heavy, That tells me the scale might just be off.
I was there at the checkin tent and saw this with my own eyes.

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I wasn' t there,but,everyone that I have talked to said the samething.The scale that was being used was weighing 2 pounds heavy.I thought the I.B.O. gave you some leeway for the difference in scales and Chronographs?One guy said the scale was weighing 2 pounds heavy without anything hanging on the scale?If this was true,then why not take 2 pounds off the draw weight?Just seems to me that would have been the right thing for them to have done.Just my opinion.

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Dartonjames, I' m glad to hear you shot well enough to become aware of the equipment check process. That makes for a good weekend. Good job!!

Ohio Curtis, I don' t doubt that you believe the scale was reading heavy, nor do I doubt the other shooters who also felt this way. However, I also have no reason to doubt the shoot directors when they tell me the scales were checked and calibrated to a certified weight before the tournament began. I helped at the Pro check-in, and a couple there also were " sure" the scales were " heavy" . That is untill they checked it themselves with the same certified weight.

Ken Rose, The check-in stations will give you a 2 pound allowance for scale differences. They can not keep giving additional allowances " just because" . If you look at most spring type scales, you will notice that they seldom read accurate in the 1 - 3 lb range. That is the point where the spring is relaxed. If we have anyone shooting equipment with a 2# draw we could see a problem. Most shooters will be between 40 - 80 lb draw weight. The scales are designed and calibrated to be most accurate within these tolerances.

To all, Believe me when I tell you that no one in the organization benefits when someone is DQ' d from a tournament. Extreme care is taken to try and prevent that from happening. All of the information and resources are made available to try and keep everyone on track. However, at the end of the day, they must still enforce the rules set forth, and manage the program in a manner and on the schedule that is most beneficial to everyone. Making special allowances for one or two, ultimately does a dis-service to the many others who complied.

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@ 5 grains per pound you were still ok by 5 grains

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i too was checked after shooting, and i did check my equipment prior to going onto the range on friday, but wasnt checked on friday, i got checked on saturday. are the same scales taken back to the same tent after each day, or are the left at the tent.

my weights changed a little by the scale reading, but after arrival back at the house, my scales showed my setup had not changed......i checked my scale with 65 lbs of weight, and it shows my setup pulling 65 pounds...my arrows lost weight from friday to saturday, but only by .9 grains. i shot on abcd ranges.

i know this can seem petty, but is there an allowance for scales? esp. after several shooters seem to have the same conclusion that the scale may be off a tad? i have built a little more room into my setup now, just in case it happens again. if the bow scale pulls a couple of pounds heavy and the arrow scale is a little shy, i can see some real problems coming along for some shooters.......

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Shooters will be allowed five (5) grains for scale differences.
The two pounds is at the top of the weight range. (re:80 #)
That is the allowance. The 5 grns. Already built in.
Because we all know that scales are not exact from one to another.
BUT, the ones on the range have been adjusted to a certified weight at the shoot. I would suggest that not very many in basements or shops have had that done recently, if ever.
By-passing all that, the scales where you are checked are official. Variables are built in with the five grains. The bow scales are checked and calibrated. The grain scales are calibrated. If a shooter pushes it to far we all know the result.
My best advice is to give it some room. Don' t go there. It ain' t worth it.
ken12

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Ken,

Who owns the scales that are being used at each shoot? If the club owns the scales would it be possible for the IBO TO buy some good certified scales and furnish them at each shoot for that shoot to verify that the limits are being followed. One set of scales (or what ever it takes) would be a solution and certified scales would leave no doubt. A good set of scales could be adjusted when necessary and should eliminate any problems. These scales if used at each IBO shoot would be the final answer with out question. In most states the bureau of weights and measures is the final answer.

I am sure that the IBO can come up with something that will make it that makes this rule 100% without question understandable.