Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

When the IBO sanctions a shoot that does not pay back money to the winners does it have a requirement for the number of awards that must be made. For example 1 to 3 one trophy, at what point do they quick making awards, especially when the number goes over 200 shooters in a single class. If one award is all they are required to make for three shooters any number less gets nothing. The large number in some classes should offset numbers less than 3 shooters in a class.

ej, what would your answer be for this question?

Thank you for your response.

RE: Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

Fastfletch,

Yes, trophy presentations go based on the 3-5-7 principle. There are further practices in place for the national and world level events. In answering your question, you must remember the effect that the rules have on all of the small qualifying shoots held every year. I support all of the varied shooting classes, but as the president of our local club, I also see the inpact awarding trophies to single person classes has. The small local clubs across the country will all operate on extremely tight budgets. It may seem a small matter, but the truth is those trophies do add up. You assume a large 200+ class will make this up, but in reality, for our local qualifiers, 200 +/- may be the entire attendance. I don' t want to sound cheap here, but on a tight budget, this is a large item.

RE: Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

I understand that you can not give a trophy to every shooter who is unopposed at the club level shoot. My point I think is that when you charge a fee that is $25.00 more or less that there should be some kind of recognition to a person that has no control over the numbers. I think that in some areas it may become necessary to keep a record of classes that can not create enough interest to draw a number of competitors over a prolonged period and either eliminate the class or inform the competitor that the class is a non-competitive class because of the minimun required. This has always been a problem in competitive archery of having too many classes with not enough shooters.
There is no easy answer to this problem but I think that we must inform the competitors of the problem and hope that we can have them move, when possible to another style or class. If they come to a shoot to compete then they must have someone to compete with or what is the point.

RE: Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

fastfletch, i agree that there needs to be trophies awarded, but, we use the 1 place for every 5 shooters with a max of 5 places.

we have in the past hosted qualifier shoots, and only charge what the ibo charges us for the entry fee, which is normally $10, but we bump to $15 for the qualifier. i can see your point if you are shooting a class without a lot of participation, and i understand that your club may be getting a little extra, in THAT case, i would assume they give back liberally on trophies.

most clubs do barely squeak by as bluejacket stated. by the time they pay operating expenses, target replacement/wear and tear, a place to shoot, trophies, grounds maintenance etc there is usually little left at the end of a year. i know one trophy sounds like a big deal to you, but it is also a big deal to the host clubs to buy them for every class that is available in the ibo, and rely on those classes being filled at the shoot to offset the cost of buying them, only to have them unclaimed, or enough shooters in a class to pay for the trophies. believe me we kept track of the classes as you stated and we knew which ones would fill up and which ones would maybe have a couple of shooters, so we always ordered trophies accordingly. sounds like to me the club in question did their homework and got it right on the money, with one trophy for a class with 3 shooters..........

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RE: Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

Keith,

The outdoor league where I compete on a weekly basis give no trophies except a large trophy at the end of the year for the winning club. They do give a small tag with the date and appropiate info pertaining to the person' s name, class, date, etc.
The $8.00 shooting fee gives a dollar to the league and the remainder goes to the home club. With the cost of shooting going higher and higher at the national events I think that they are starting to price themselves out of business. The local shoots are no problem because they alone can control the charge to the shooters and the payout. Holding qualifiers and other shoots that are backed by a national organization charge considerably more and yet in most cases the payback or prizes are not that much better which means that some clubs are taking advantage of the truely competitive shooter. If a championship shoot at a State level or National level is advertised and a person enters a class thinking that he could be a Champion of that shoot, the class should have some kind of recognition to give a person regardless of the number of shooters in a class. The overhead for each club is a factor that only the club can control and maintain. If a shoot attracts large numbers of shooters and can not afford to make appropiate awards than they should inform the shooters at the registration desk of what their intentions are
ask the sanctioning organization for relief for such classes.
Their is much more that could be discussed on the subject but I am sure that with the appropiate people making an effort could come up with changes that would benefit the clubs and the shooters as well.

RE: Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

ifyou are not getting satisfaction out of your local clubs, and it is a sanctioned ibo event, you really need to let the folks at the ibo know. the host clubs are required to give awards, in all classes. it does not state that it has to be a trophy or money, it may be clubs choice.
i dont know what the ibo policy is on numbers of awards vs. quantity of shooters in a class, but i do know that in the open class at our state shoot, they awarded 5 trophies, and 4 in the mbr. it may be based on the quantity of shooters, but the clubs choice on how far to go down the list.

i agree that it would be nice to get recognized, but i dont feel that it is the ibo' s place to go above and beyond if a club will not pick up the slack.

again, if a club is hosting an ibo shoot, only $5 dollars of your entry fee goes to the ibo, the remainder of the money stays with the club. sounds to me like you may be getting short changed a little, but it may not be an issue with the ibo....

RE: Formula for Trophy awards for classes
 

Keith,

It is not my club or my league that has me concerned. Go to any kind of National competition and look at the number of classes and divisions. Many of these classes do not have numbers that are worthy of being maintained as a class. If at a national competition a class can not draw more than three competitors it is not a competitive class.

Our league is very successful and draws over 100 shooters a week every week for 34 weeks a year. None of these are IBO shoots and no trophies are awarded till the end of the year. The cost is $8.00 each week with special prices for family and youth shooters.

If an organization has these classes available for people to choose from many of them will pick the class with the least competition. The HC has turned out to be just the opposite. Each year more people join this class not just to be winners, but to participate in a class that best describes their type of shooting as they determine it. If this class keeps getting bigger every year and overall archery is growing who is to say that the shooters can not shoot in a class that choose regardless of their skill.